To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

Some of his best friends are Asian/black, he’s not racist. It’s very easy for people to throw that accusation against him. I am not a great fan of his but highlighting the dangers of extreme forms of Islam does not make him racist. How many of you on here are prepared to risk your life for your country like he has!?

Ha @londonrd I almost fell for that parody -awesome work!!

Parody. I come from Oxford where hundreds of girls were abused you little shit. Statistics don’t lie!

oh nice - I can see you can argue in whole sentences - congrats! Tommy must be proud of you

I do feel it's racist to focus only on one skin colour of abusers. It's also racist to completely avoid focusing on abusers of one skin colour.

Plenty of racist people have friends who are the colours of skin they discriminate against, a racist isn't just the black and white - "you're nothing because you're (insert racist derogatory comment here)" it's also much subtler, and covered over nicely with excuses and stupidity. One of the easiest ways to spot a racist is that they often tell you themselves- they start off what they want to say by saying "I'm not racist, but..,," or "I'm not racist because I have black/brown/blue friends, however..." and actually they are definitely racist by the time they finish the statement, it's pretty clear.

How has TR risked his life for his country?!

I would take him far more seriously if he also spoke up as vocally about abusers HE definitely has known personally.

Whilst this problem exists and needs to be addressed- why has he personally chosen to focus on THIS? AFAIK he calls himself an Islamaphobe. This suits that. That's why. But he should also look at texts within Christianity and Judaism at least and get as upset about them tbh if he's so concerned about what religious texts do - there's some horrific stuff there also. Why not just be a religiousphobe? Would be far less inflammatory and fair.

And before anyone chimes in asking when there was last Christians running round killing unbelievers... please just stop and think, just for a second! There has been, there are. There likely will be again at some point in this country.

We can only deal with the present, pointing out other religions past atrocities just sounds like you'd be trying to minimalise (just why would you want to) what's going on today. It's like sticking your head in the sand and saying "well other religions have done it" . The vast majority of muslims are decent peace loving people but let's not pretend there isn't a huge problem in the world today with Islamic militants. What's wrong with speaking about it, it certainly doesn't make you the better person not to mention it and imply anyone who does is racist. Islam isn't a race anyway.

I find it odd that this thread is still going and hasn't sidetracked (as threads usually do) to speak out about the muslim rapists, any slight condemnation gets shot down with the oh so predictable "is it because their skin is brown", there should be more hatred shown to them than what seems to be shown to TR, unlikeable as he is too.

I haven’t seen anyone condoning the rape of children? Anywhere. Ever. They are hated. What people are saying is that all brown people shouldn’t be expected to take responsibility for the actions of a minority.

But with the determination to get across the message that not all brown people shouldn't take the blame for a minority we fail to properly condem and castigate that minority. I didn't say anyone was condoning anything, i was saying i don't see much condemnation, probably because of that very reason. We all know it's a minority, so where is the revulsion and condemnation of that minority, because strangely we never seem to see it.

@greenvalleys and TR et al condemning all brown people is the way forward?

“The vast majority of muslims are decent peace loving people but let's not pretend there isn't a huge problem in the world today with Islamic militants“

Nobody is ‘pretending’ there isn’t a problem with Islamic militants.

There is also a huge and growing problem with Islamophobic prejudice, where people can’t talk about Muslims without HAVING to link Islam and Muslims to organised child abuse and terrorism.

It’s an obsession for some of you. An obsession.

You need to give it a rest.

Literally 99% of all mentions of Islam and Muslims on social media are now in the context of someone talking about terrorism or child abuse.

That’s despite the fact that Muslims who are engaged in this sort of criminality are a tiny, tiny minority.

To put things in persepective - 1 in 5 women will experience sexual abuse or rape in her lifetime. This means that a pretty high percentage of men have at some time coerced/abused/physically forced a woman. Imagine if every time anyone ever posted anything about men on social media they had to flag this issue up. Literally that they couldn’t acknowledge the existence of men without having to point out that some of them are sex criminals and bullies.

It’s fecking awful. It’s like the 3rd reich all over again.

To put things in persepective - 1 in 5 women will experience sexual abuse or rape in her lifetime. This means that a pretty high percentage of men have at some time coerced/abused/physically forced a woman.

I'm happy to be proved wrong by statistics, but it doesn't mean that at all. The 1 in 5 figure could be caused by a small percentage of men, ie, repeat offenders.

Imagine if every time anyone ever posted anything about men on social media they had to flag this issue up.

If men are mentioned as a group in public discourse, these days it is normal to point out some type of offensive behaviour of one sort or another. So it does rather feel that way.

Accordingly, I agree entirely with what you say about Muslims. I'm glad I'm not one and don't have to convince those around me that I'm not about to explode or drive a car into them.

Great post minifingerz!

I agree, well said minifingerz

And if Tommy is so concerned about children, did he bother to protest outside the trial of Marie Black in Norwich, who, along with others, got away with sexually abusing very young children for a decade?

Or do white working class children being abused by white working class adults not count?

@user1471450935 - I am not sure what I have done, to provoke such a confrontational attitude from you on here. I have not denied that there is a problem with Pakistani grooming gangs, or that the police are doing as much as they could do, to deal with it, nor have I said that I know what the answers are and you and your wife do not.

What I have said is that Tommy Robinson deserves a prison sentence because he broke the law, and especially because he jeopardised the trial of one of these grooming gangs - unforgiveable, in my book. I believe his stance would seem a lot less racist if he were ever to be seen protesting/broadcasting from outside the trials of white paedophiles (including ones he knows come from the organisation of which he is a leading member) - but that is not going to happen, because he is focused on one racial group.

And I have defended another poster, who you went after in a confrontational manner that seemed aimed at trying to silence her and that ignored her firsthand experience of life in care, and running away from care. I was, and still am, appalled that you could treat someone who arguably is a victim of the care system, in such a manner, given your experience in this field.

I don't have all the answers - I wish I did. I think things are improving - we are far more ready to listen to the victims of paedophiles than we have been historically - but we need to acknowledge that we still have a long, long way to go. We need to make sure that all victims are heard, and all have an equally loud 'voice', and we need to keep up the scrutiny on the police, the authorities and the justice system to ensure that they are treating all victims equally, in a race-blind, class-blind manner. By which I mean that no abuser should get better treatment because of their race or class.

I find it amazing that defenders of Tommy are basically defenders of rape gangs.

Cause the idea of a fair trial, free of witness, accused and jury intimidation/"media" interaction is quite fundamental.

Trials can be abandoned for less.

So Tommys supporters seem to think that its ok for trials to abandoned as long as Tommy gets to do what he wants. And what he seems to want is rape gangs to go free as long as he gets to have his say.

Yaxley-Lennon is a serial thug and criminal, he has former convictions for assault, public disorder and fraud, he is a poster boy for the extreme right and like ALL fascists claims victimisation by the laws of the land, and twists words and meanings for political gain, this is what the far-right DOES. There is undeniably a problem with Muslim males' attitudes towards women, but the hysteria whipped up around the grooming case by the likes of the Daily Mail and Breitbart do not serve anyone but their own agenda, it certainly does not help the victims. There is no difference morally between the fascist right and the radicalised Muslims who they claim as their mortal enemy. Robinson breached the conditions of his suspended sentence AND the ban on reporting the case, he KNEW what he was letting himself in for. Suck it up.

Littleorphan as a previous poster has pointed out the establishment previously incarcerated Nelson Mandela for 27 years on Robin Island for his political views. Some of us are sophisticated and experienced enough to know not to believe all we are told. We would rather keep an open mind and make up our own mind. We won’t be told what to think by the liberal labour left-wing agenda. No offence intended

user for someone who espouses such unbending and intolerant views, talking about having an open mind is the absolute definition of irony!

What is there to keep an open mind about, @user1457017537? Tommy Robinson's racist views? The fact that, despite being warned, he broadcast from outside the trial of a Pakistani grooming gang, thus jeopardising the trial, and the rights of the victims of that gang to get justice? The fact that, by being there and doing what he did, he committed the offence of contempt of court, and deserves jail time for that? The fact that he knew that what he was doing, in broadcasting from outside the grooming trial could prejudice its outcome - at his trial, his lawyer said "He was mindful, having spoken to others and taken advice, not to say things that he thought would actually prejudice these proceedings..."

How about the fact that he has said that Islam and Naziism are two sides of the same coin? That Islam run the prisons. That Islam is not a religion of peace. That he has published an anti-Islamic book. That he has claimed, in one tweet that when he went to the library and asked for a book on murder, rape and genocide, the librarian gave him the Koran. Or that, in another tweet, he said that 50% of muslims marry their cousins.

All of these things are facts - out of his mouth, his lawyers mouth, his twitter account, his actual published book. So what should we be keeping an open mind about??

WYP came, not to arrest him, but to threaten me with arrest for inferring with a known pimp.

This didn't happen. Not least because inferring with, or even interfering with, a known pimp isn't a criminal offence.

Londonrd, precisely when and how did TR risk his life for his country?

SoddingUnicorns I have reported your post

@user1457017537 that’s hilarious. Why? Are you offended because I told you that your views are intolerant (they are) and that that was ironic? (It is).

Report away, I give not one shit. The way you treated ifelldown was abhorrent, and it took many of us to get you to actually read her posts properly. And still you won’t admit you’re wrong, then you’re offended because I pointed out a fact? Aye ok then hen.

I think you have the wrong User check the number before you accuse anyone. I shall when I have time change my user name so there is nt confusion