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Whats you opinion of "stay at home wives"

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strawberryperogi · 24/05/2018 17:10

After reading another thread about SAHMs I am curious about what people would say about SAHWs, I know you will all say it should just be unemployed but if the person isn't looking for a job then are they really in that catagory?

Could you respect or be friends with a woman who didn't work and earn or at least look after her children?

Just curious!

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AssassinatedBeauty · 24/05/2018 18:33

"Legal requirement" is a bit strong. It's grounds for annulment should either party want to do that, but that doesn't mean you must have sex (at least once). If both parties are happy with a platonic relationship then no one will make them get an annulment.

Marital rape wasn't illegal until 1992, shockingly.

ScreamingValenta · 24/05/2018 18:34

@QueenOfMyWorld I was quoting a pp and probably phrased my response badly. I meant to suggest the earner in the relationship has a choice about supporting the spouse financially; I wasn't commenting about how the sharing of money worked in practice. Apologies if I offended you.

irishgardenermum · 24/05/2018 18:34

I am a SAHM with school age children so pretty much a stay at home wife 30 or so hours a week. I have a really big garden full of plants to encourage bird and bees. I also grow a lot of of my own vegetables. I live pretty far from everywhere so getting back to work will probably be a bit of a challenge.
In the OPs opinion if I give up my current prostitute life, get a minimum wage job an hour away and then use my wages to pay for petrol and concreting the garden over will I be a better, more interesting person?

Grandmaswagsbag · 24/05/2018 18:35

Those of you who are saying it's a job someone else needs would you genuinely have that attitude i the wife was the higher earner?

Absolutely. If a household has more money than they need for the lifestyle they desire already with just one earner why should they other one earn more money when they could do lots of valuable unpaid work? Leave the paid jobs for people who need them to keep a roof over their head and feed themselves. Lots of men and women would be happy to admit that they’d give up work in a heartbeat if they didn’t need the money!

cantkeepawayforever · 24/05/2018 18:36

My mother has been a SAHM / W for much of her life, or at least since my parents moved just after we left home.

She's just turned 80, and her diary remains fuller than mine.

Her main 'non-employer' is the Church, for which she has done everything from taking services and preaching (not ordained but has a position which enables her to take services), leading school visits to a cathedral, training and selecting future priests, writing the RE syllabus, cleaning the church, writing prayers and notice sheets, visiting the sick and elderly and lonely, being part of the governing structure of the local and national church, attending regular training days, organising special weeks and services for particular occasions ... the vast majority of which she continues to do.

Her other non-employer is education - apart from the aforesaid school visits to the cathedral, she is on the board of an educational charity, reads at least once a week for much of a day with local children and has been a governor and chair of governors.

Yes, she does also cook and clean and iron and garden, and support my father (who still works full time in a role requiring frequent travel) and yes, she is now becoming rather elderly so she is slowing down a little. However, I would suggest that a good number of 'jobs' would have remained undone over the last few decades had she had a full time paid job instead of a large portfolio of unpaid ones.

MistressDeeCee · 24/05/2018 18:36

I have no respect for a stay at home wife. That is basically prostitution imo!

The levels of stupid are off the scale on MN today re women judging women. Is it the weather?

MumofBoysx2 · 24/05/2018 18:36

I'm a SAHM. By both our choices as we get enough income from our business that neither of us needs to work. But while they are at school do I magically turn into a prostitute? No... my husband works from home so we get to spend a lot of time together and go out etc which we wouldn't be able to do if I wasn't here, and it's lovely for both of us. Plus we are always here for the kids. Occasionally he gets contracts where he is working long hours so it makes sense for someone to be here to be able to collect the kids and keep the house running etc. He is very happy with it and doesn't mind either way whether I work or not. I resent people likening it to prostitution! I don't particularly like people who by choice stay at home to receive benefits, I think that is far worse!

Bluntness100 · 24/05/2018 18:37

Would the following eulogy be any better?"She was really supportive of her boss and kept his diary in order and his desk tidy. She was the life and soul of the office. She liked her colleagues. The end."

This is so mysogynistic. Women can be more than men's personal assistants you know. It's not either care for a man at home or care for one at work. We are capable of being equals. 😔😔😔

QueenOfMyWorld · 24/05/2018 18:37

ScreamingValenta it's fine lol

Dietcokebreak2 · 24/05/2018 18:38

All the judgmental people against sahw - are you honestly saying if your dh had millions in the bank, you'd still go out to work. Like fuck would you.

You can spend your days doing leisure activities, seeing friends and family and maybe doing volenteer work. But no you'd rather work every day. Or do you all just love your jobs that much. There's no job I'd love more than constant free time.

JacquesHammer · 24/05/2018 18:39

I intend to retire by 45. I will be a SAHS (stay at home Singleton)

Presumably that gets your approval?

I was also a SAHM until DD was 6. Our choice.

Bluntness100 · 24/05/2018 18:39

Beauty, yes I agree, no one checks, and if both parties are happy to never have sex, then yes, no one asks. But if one refused and the other wants it, legally it is grounds for an annulment, that's my point.

GalwayWayfarer · 24/05/2018 18:40

I don't have any issue with any couple deciding what living and working arrangements are best for them, and wouldn't judge a SAHW. People have the freedom to make their own choices. If it were me I would be very bored and I would be anxious about the financial insecurity, but that's not to say every woman would feel the same.

HagSeed · 24/05/2018 18:41

cantkeepaway your mum sounds awesome!

Bluntness100 · 24/05/2018 18:41

Honestly what's with all the "if your husband was a multi millionaire" shite. Clearly that's not something a huge percentage of rhe population can claim, 🤣🤣🤣

Badoukas · 24/05/2018 18:41

Everyone is free to do their own thing. I'm not bothered who does what and no way would I judge or make any kind of blanket statement. How would we know any individual's particular circumstances or mindset? Love and let live.

Nottheduchessofcambridge · 24/05/2018 18:41

If I knew a SAHW I’d think “lucky bugger”. I work part time, with 2 children and I know people think I’m “lucky” as my OH earns a good wage for me to be able to. Twice a week though I volunteer 12 hrs for a charity. Nobody knows I do this as I don’t do it for recognition but I sure do get a lot of people who think I while away my hours watching JK!

CocoaGin · 24/05/2018 18:42

Whatever suits. I've happily been a SAHM/SAHW since being 21. I'm now 47 and have worked odd jobs but never felt fulfilled by it. In fact I'd go as far as saying I hated it. I love love love being at home. I'm a keen photographer, avid reader and cook, love walking, love my dog and love making a home for DH and our 2 adult DDs who still live at home. I also help out with my dad as he's had health issues.

DHs admin person is off on long term sick leave and I'm having to cover part time at the moment. I'm not really enjoying it truth be told, but needs must. No career would ever have made missing out on my children growing up worthwhile, but we're all different.

Tinkobell · 24/05/2018 18:43

Another philosophical question to all the SAHM disrespectors.......at what point in activity MIGHT the SAHM obtain some small level of respect - wheeling out her bins each week, lifting a pizza into the oven, ordering online essentials, paying a bill.....surely if the respect is based on a perceived or actual level of personal activity then there has to be a tipping point from disrespect to couldn't give a shit to respect??

Tinkobell · 24/05/2018 18:46

Btw....now I know I'm seen by some as a hooker, I'm going stick a tips jar next to the bed! 😂😂😂

SoupDragon · 24/05/2018 18:48

Just curious!

Interesting first post. Like fuck are you “just curious”

PebbleTissueScissors · 24/05/2018 18:49

I have no respect for a stay at home wife. That is basically prostitution imo!

I don't understand this at all. How is it different from having inherited a large amount of money and not having to work?

What is the difference between:

Rupert who doesn't have to work because his father is the Duke of Whatsit and has stacks of cash which Rupert has no entitlement to but cheerfully lives off?

Jane who doesn't have to work because she married a man who earns a lot of cash which she cheerfully lives off?

or

Petunia who doesn't have to work because she married Rupert who doesn't have to work because he has access to the Duke of Whatsits cash?

mummabearfoyrbabybears · 24/05/2018 18:50

CocoaGin couldn't have put it better myself. I am completely fulfilled by my children and being at home. No work I've even done has come close Smile

scaryteacher · 24/05/2018 18:50

Pratrocket But stay at home "married". What is that?

It's great. Ds is at university, so I do most of the journeys back to the UK to pick him up/drop him off. I liaise with the Letting Agent on the UK house, do the tax returns, handle legal stuff that sometimes comes our way. I deal with all the domestic niff naff and trivia so that dh can get on with his job. I have mooted trying to find a job over here, but he is happy with things as they are and says it's a partnership.

I went back to work when ds was six months, and dh was away at sea/posted elsewhere in UK/posted abroad until ds was 10, and I decided to bite the bullet, resign and move abroad to join dh. It worked for us; I was less stressed, ds was happier as was dh.

When we return to UK next year when dh retires, I will be looking for a job. I have spent part of the last 13 years volunteering with the school that ds attended, running clubs and some parents events for them, plus being a team leader for GCSE examining. I now run a couple of things for other trailing spouses who work for the same organisation as dh. When ds was at school here, I think I did something for the school 4 days a week.

I have organised two international moves and one unexpected domestic move at short notice; sorted out the renovation of our house in the UK before it was relet. Dh couldn't help much with any of that (apart from cleaning the garage in the last rental), as he was working.

I'm the one who is on standby to get back to the UK if ds or my dm needs us, as I don't have to rejuggle a complicated schedule planned six months in advance.

I am enjoying not doing anything. I have time to read, sew, have coffee with friends, go to the odd art gallery. I am enjoying my life very much and have appreciated the 13 years off the treadmill. I am exactly where I wanted to be in my 50s.

Also, financially, there is no need for me to work. Dh's job is very well paid, so why should I take a job that someone else might really need? I want to work when back in UK as I need to make up 7 years NICs for my pension, and dh will be retired, so earning will be an extra cushion.

I also expect to be on call for dm when we move back, as my db will still be posted abroad, and I live 10 minutes from Mum (if the traffic lights are green). As she is late 70s, it won't be too long before some help is needed, and that will fall to me. I have also been told that my name is top of the list for volunteer work in the village when I move back. I expect to be involved whether I want to or not in driving the elderly to the doctors, shopping or hospital, getting involved in helping with the lunch clubs for them in the village, fundraising for things etc etc.

As for whoever said SAHWs were economically inactive - no we aren't. We might not be paying direct taxes, but we do contribute a lot to the indirect ones such as VAT!

It is difficult as one friend told me to get a job in Afghanistan when they were sent there (her husband was a diplomat), or whichever other Stan they were in (Kazakhstan) I think. Add to this for military/diplomatic wives, that they may be moving every couple of years. Many military wives I know are not considered for jobs because employers think they will move on, so it isn't considered worth it investing in them.

I am friends with lots of women in similar situations to mine; many of us have degrees, but sometimes our careers had to give for our families. In the end, what is more important?

Gottagetmoving · 24/05/2018 18:51

If I could have afforded to stay at home and not work for someone at any point in my life then that's what I would have done. There's so many other things I would rather do.
Why do so many people think you are only worth anything or can be interesting if you have a job? Most people I know talk about their jobs often and its mostly boring.
I've only ever worked because I couldn't afford not to.