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To think we have been treated shabbily by school ?

166 replies

Myrnafoy · 23/05/2018 14:51

Really need some advice as I'm not sure who is exactly being unreasonable!
Essentially Ds in year 6 had his shoe thrown into a garden by a reception child. Last day of Sats and the class had been told there was no further teaching for the day. Ds and friends decided to play cricket on the field. It was so hot they all took their shoes and socks off and dumped them in a pile. At break time said child above randomly chose ds' shoe and lobbed it over a high privet hedge. Obviously no malice involved. The boys enlisted the dinner ladies to help search for it but unfortunately there was no sign of it. I'm not sure they took it seriously as no one bothered to let the teaching staff know. Reaction was a kind of resigned shrug.
I went into school as soon as Ds came out. I managed to speak to a teacher who was initially a bit incredulous and insinuated that it was probably a prank orchestrated by the year six boys. Flortunately it had been witnessed by several children and the boy himself owned up to it.
Response from the teacher was that Ds had been silly to take his shoes off in the first place, what did he expect with all the young children around ? So actually quite dismissive.
Over the next day or two no progress, so ex-p went in on Monday to see if the school would inform the child's parents of the incident. I suppose we were hoping they'd contribute towards a new pair of shoes but not necessarily the full amount. Initially the head refused point blank and accused us of overreacting. I'll hasten to say that ex-p was perfectly polite but he was shocked by how obstructive she was. The fact is the shoes were relatively new and more than £40. They also had a special insert - Ds has had 9 months of intensive physio for an ongoing condition and the insert was part of the treatment.
Eventually head agreed to speak to the parents. When she phoned ex-p with their number she told him that the boy's dad had spent all evening searching for the shoe and had seen it in a tree in the garden. Ex-p dutifully headed off to try to have a look in the garden but neither he or owner could locate it. Ex-p naturally rang the mum to see which tree they were referring to but the mum changed her story and admitted it had been a child who'd seen it !
When politely asked if she'd care to contribute to a new pair of shoes
she declined because the head had told her to !
I really don't know what to do apart from fume. I personally would have been mortified if my child had done a similar thing and definately offered some kind of financial contribution. I also guess I'm shocked at the head's apparent lack of impartiality and empathy. Unfortunately the school is in a leafy fairly prosperous area of town so I doubt she realises that anyone is experiencing finanicial hardship ! I suppose what l would like to know is whether I should officially complain about her conduct or am I indeed being unreasonable?

OP posts:
FullOfJellyBeans · 23/05/2018 16:12

I think you need to write off the shoe and just inform the head teacher that you don't have a spare £40 for another pair and your DS will be wearing trainers until September term starts.

This. It's very annoying but just one of those things.

cafenoirbiscuit · 23/05/2018 16:26

Who on earth was supervising the reception-aged kids? And also the Y6 ones? YANBU, and I'd be v cross. (and I work in a primary school)

okdok · 23/05/2018 16:36

I would let it go now and buy another pair from a charity shop for £5.

hmcAsWas · 23/05/2018 16:38

I would be offering to pay if I was the Reception child's parents. People often don't seem to share my standards though …..

kierenthecommunity · 23/05/2018 16:49

Are there several gardens backing into the school fence or just the one? I wouldn’t take a five year olds word for it when describing where the throwing had been.

I’m surprised the YR kids were in the same playground as Y6 though, although our school is quite old and has separate playgrounds presumably back in the day they were infants and juniors

PorkyPortia · 23/05/2018 16:51

what about the insert though Mymafoy ? Can you get a replacement ?

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 23/05/2018 16:58

If your son has special shoe inserts for a foot problem surely he should have kept his shoes on? Apart from that the risk of cuts, thorns etc make playing a the school field in bare feet quite risky. I would be annoyed that the school allowed them to do this, especially given the fuss most schools make about sandals.

SoupDragon · 23/05/2018 17:01

I would let it go now and buy another pair from a charity shop for £5.

You would send a child who needs a special shoe insert as part of months of physiotherapy to school in second hand shoes??

Eliza9917 · 23/05/2018 17:02

MaisyPops Wed 23-May-18 15:07:15
I don't think they've done anything wrong.
And I don't think the reception child's parents should be paying either.

Don't want to risk anything happening to your shoes, then don't take them off I'm afraid.

Victim blaming much?

Why on earth shouldn't the child and therefore the parents, have consequences??

Why should The OP absorb all the cost of replacement?

OP, I'd refuse to buy another pair of shoes and send DS to school in trainers.

SheSparkles · 23/05/2018 17:03

I’m another one who would have offered to pay if my child had been responsible. Kids take socks and shoes off in nice weather, nothing wrong with that.
Ok so the reception kid probably can’t be expected to know the possible consequences of what they did, but I don’t see why the OP should be the one to suck it up and be out of pocket because of someone else’s kid’s actions. The school have been pretty shitty with their attitude too-this wasn’t the fault of OP’s son, the reception kid shouldn’t have had his hands on other kids’ property

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 23/05/2018 17:06

The other option is to replace the special shoes, SoupDragon’ which op seems loath to do...
£40 doesn’t sound particularly special, tbh. It’s an average price for a average pair of school shoes.

Eastcoastmost · 23/05/2018 17:07

Well, a few years back, a year two child threw my reception aged DC’s hat over the school fence. The teacher got my DC a new one and invoiced the parents of the year two child for it. I don’t see why you should be out of pocket. And a reception aged child should know better, to be honest. Or at least, a well brought up one would.

youarenotkiddingme · 23/05/2018 17:08

I can't believe people actually think your ds or you are responsible for the actions of the other child.

Yes, ok, for his age he most likely didn't think through what he did before he did it - but what he did was wrong.

Are the insoles nhs or private? If nhs ring podiatry/orthotics and ask for emergency appointment. If Otis gets ask school if they have insurance to cover the cost of shoes and new orthotics. Put this in writing.

Every school I know well has always encouraged parents to financially contribute where their child has damaged something if someone else's. It's called teaching responsibility.

CatMuffin · 23/05/2018 17:09

I would send him in in trainers til the end of term and if the school don't like it, perhaps they should have been more helpful

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 23/05/2018 17:10

Victim blaming much?
Personally I don’t see this as ‘victim blaming’ as it’s obviously not a case of victimisation/bullying or theft, more one of misadventure. However the older child also needs to take some responsibility for their actions in removing shoes and leaving them lying around (or secondary school will be extremely expensive)

SoupDragon · 23/05/2018 17:11

£40 doesn’t sound particularly special, tbh. It’s an average price for a average pair of school shoes.

Yes. An average pair of shoes into which they put an insert. At lest that is what I took from the name “insert”, that it is inserted into a shoe.

gabsdot · 23/05/2018 17:12

The other parents should replace the shoes and they are being VU if they don't.

helpmum2003 · 23/05/2018 17:13

I think the school has been unhelpful at best. I would be mortified if my child had done that and would offer to pay.

How much do the inserts cost? Can you claim on your home insurance? I would enquire about school insurance to make a point if nothing else...

youarenotkiddingme · 23/05/2018 17:16

You can be a victim of misadventure!

This boy and his mum were a victim. They were the innocent party in an incident which involved loss or damage to their property.

My friends parents bbq caught alight recently and damaged something of their neighbours. It was an accident - but they still replaced the fence between the gardens even though it was neighbours boundary fence!

HeadsDownThumbsUpEveryone · 23/05/2018 17:16

So nobody was supervising year 6, and nobody was supervising reception. This sounds like a fantastic school.

I agree with the above that he should go to school in any shoes he already owns until he finishes for the summer. Hopefully you can get some new inserts but I don't think it was unreasonable to expect the school to replace them as the incident occurred due to lack of supervision.

I am however amazed at the amount of people who think a reception child should not be responsible for their actions. This is not a nursery child or a new starter I assume they have been following school rules for 9 months now. They should be capable of not throwing shoes over hedges long before now.

RoseMartha · 23/05/2018 17:17

If I was parent of child who had thrown it I would have offered to contribute yes, but people see things in different ways . I would be annoyed if I was you too. Will the school let him go in trainers or
plimsoles you already might have as it's pretty close to end if school year?

37KAT · 23/05/2018 17:19

This is very annoying, I wouldn't be happy at all. Any chance the younger children could show where they threw it? It must be somewhere, it hasn't evaporated.

If not you're going to have to forget it and move on. Lesson to your son about what can happen to possessions when not in his possession. It's even worse when they loose stuff or have things taken at secondary school.

Trialsmum · 23/05/2018 17:20

Send him in trainers for the rest of the year. Schools like his sounds will hate that! Bonus points for making them the brightest ones you can find 😉.

Caribou58 · 23/05/2018 17:22

Schools do not have insurance policies for the loss of children's belongings (can you imagine any insurer agreeing to that one?).

Heismyopendoor · 23/05/2018 17:22

I wouldn’t be happy at all.

Similar thing happened to my dd when she was at school. She took her cardigan off and put it on her chair. Another girl came and took it under the table and cut all the buttons off with a pair of scissors. They were 6!

The school replaced the cardigan after they suggested I could buy new buttons and sew them on myself and I told them no, I didn’t see why I should have to go and buy buttons and spend time sewing them. I did tell the head she was free to buy and sew herself.