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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not pay them?

308 replies

upsideup · 19/05/2018 17:24

For 11 year old dd's sport there is a big event abroad in the beginning of the summer holidays that she is going to, her friend who also does the sports wanted to go but her parents couldnt take her so we offered to.

Original plan was for both me and DH to take the girls but we did mention when it was arranged that I was pregnant but that hopefully as long as all went to plan I would be fine going on the trip. I admit this was only casually mentioned and only once because after 4 easy pregnancies I didnt expect this one to be different but it was definately mentioned. I've decided not to go as I feel safer at home, we told them this last week ago and they said it was fine and hoped I got better. DH is still definately okay taking them on his own.

They now have phoned and said now they have thought it over and because we have changed the arrangements that were previously offered that they no longer want their dd to come so are expecting us cover the costs of this. The dd still wants to come, she has phoned my dd today in tears because they have been looking forward to this for months.

AIBU to not pay them anything? The offer to take their dd will stay open, if we were taking away that offer then of course we would pay.

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WhatAMessTheBad · 19/05/2018 20:17

@CalF123 No it doesn't. What a silly thing to say.

fontofnoknowledge · 19/05/2018 20:17

CalF123 bloody right !

myrtleWilson · 19/05/2018 20:20

Am shocked at posters saying they wouldn't allow their children to go on a play date or similar with just a male parent around. Not a complete stranger. My sister died last year, leaving her small child without a mother but just starting school. So no playdates for her at her home for all of her school years? Or will BIL have to supply a female attendant?

OP -sorry for derail - I wouldn't be reimbursing them.

BackforGood · 19/05/2018 20:21

I feel sorr for the dd, but they sound completely bonkers.
Of course you don't owe them anything.
If they are choosing to withdraw their dd, then that is their loss (well, hers mainly). If there have been difficult circumstances that have menat they had to withdraw her, then again, that is their (financial) loss. Up to them to have chosen to insure against that or not.
Either way, it's got nothing to do with you (except your dd not having her friend's company).

Ginger1982 · 19/05/2018 20:21

Can't believe all the folk on here running scared of their daughters being alone with a man 🙄

OP, maybe your DH shouldn't take them on the basis something untrue and highly damaging might be said about him which then snowballs...

But don't give any money to them.

fontofnoknowledge · 19/05/2018 20:22

The hypocrisy is breathtaking. It is right and just to stand up for women's rights . To fight for women and girls to be taken seriously as people with thoughts words and actions equal to a mans .. not stereotyped as air-headed housewives but perfectly fine and 'understandable' to assume all men are predatory paedophilic rapists ?
Fucking disgusting.

Juells · 19/05/2018 20:23

@CalF123

This thread really unmasks the hypocrisy and misandry behind feminism. It must be stopped before we end up with dads being banned from school playgrounds.

What nonsense. This has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with common sense. I don't have to apologise to anyone for the fact that I wouldn't trust my child to a strange man.

WinkysTeatowel · 19/05/2018 20:24

I still do not understand what the £1000 is for..?

MyOtherProfile · 19/05/2018 20:26

Just to clarify... your dd is going isn't she? So their dd would be with her mate and her mate's dad. Not just her and a random older man.

user139328237 · 19/05/2018 20:31

@Juells
It does have stuff to do with feminism because as soon as men aren't trusted to be able to look after their children's friends for a play date family's either have to have the mother at home or the child misses out which basically means the mother has to be the primary carer if the parents want their children to have as many opportunities as possible.

CalF123 · 19/05/2018 20:31

@Juells

It has everything to do with feminism. Feminists rightly complain about discrimination against women but are then quite happy to make ludicrous generalisations about all men being potential predators and want to discriminate against them.

GreenTulips · 19/05/2018 20:37

I wouldn't be reimbursing them

They haven't paid a penny - they are asking OP to cover the costs incurred by their DD not going - I assume some sort of childcare

lhastingsmua · 19/05/2018 20:38

I just don’t understand why they expect you to cover the costs of them pulling out. I’m not paticularly wealthy, but I personally wouldn’t bother asking you to compensate me and would just take the financial hit if i was genuinely that concerned about my child’s welfare - seems a small cost in comparison to keeping them safe?

Honestly it just seems to me that they are looking for any excuse to recoup their costs, it seems like this trip was a massive inconvenience for them from the start seeing as neither of them could bother taking time off and taking her themselves.

Think about it, one the one hand they are gently accusing your partner of being potentially dangerous (and abusing their daughter whilst they’re on the trip) and in the same breath they are also asking you for money! Surely if they think he’s that much of a risk they wouldn’t want your money! And would instead do their best to keep a distance to get him away from her?? Ridiculous

Ginger1982 · 19/05/2018 20:40

What is the £1000 for?

Travis1 · 19/05/2018 20:42

I’m laughing here at the people pulling out because heaven forbid their child is with their friends dad. FYI the man that abused me as a young child was my mums nephew and the man that abused me as a teenager was a teacher who groomed me so the teacher wouldn’t be alone with my child comment is bollocks. There are ways and means if you’re determined enough.

boilerhouse2007 · 19/05/2018 20:42

'I don't have to apologise to anyone for the fact that I wouldn't trust my child to a strange man.''

it never said he was a stranger though

manicinsomniac · 19/05/2018 20:48

Do we actually know that the problem is that the adult taking the girls is male? Maybe the friend's parents just feel that a trip that's so far away (we're unlikely to be talking about France or Germany with flight cost approaching £1000) requires 1:1 ratio for 11 year olds rather than 1:2. It not matter to them which parent is going but rather that there's only one.

Presumably the sports coaches agree that the children need 1:1 too or they would just be taking the children in the same way as a school trip, not asking parents to accompany.

But YANBU regardless, OP. If you had offered to take my 11 year old on a trip like this I'd have offered to pay some of your fares as well as my daughter's. And certainly wouldn't ask to be reimbursed if it fell through.

Are the coaches responsible for any of the children going or do they all have parents? If only some parents are going, could one of the coaches 'help' your DH on paper so the other girl's parents feel there are more eyes on her?

PattiStanger · 19/05/2018 20:50

So have you also lost £1000 from the fact that you aren't going?

Tbh if you "only casually mentioned and only once because after 4 easy pregnancies I didnt expect this one to be different" I'm not sure I would have assumed that there was a real risk that you wouldn't be going.

Were you also taking your other 3 children?

AlmostAJillSandwich · 19/05/2018 20:52

It does kind of depend on how casually the comment of you maybe not going was. If it was said in a light and breezy, "Well, im pregnant so small chance i won't go, but not likely as i've always managed fine!" and all other communication throughout about planning it hasn't been brought up again, and spoken about like you're going, they probably felt secure that you would in fact be definitely going. Things have disclaimers all the time that almost never happen anyway, they've probably only really considered the scenario where you are there, or it was mentioned so casually they thought it might have been a joke.

They almost certainly didnt actually expect it to play out any other way than both you and your Dh going along and being in charge of caring for their daughter. Maybe it has nothing to do with DH being male, and its the sheer fact that there were going to be 2 guardians, and now there's only 1. Maybe their daughter has already started puberty early and they're not comfortable with her not having a female to help her with those needs? Do they know your DH well, or are you the main connection, the one they see at practices etc? It might of course be purely the fact he's male and will be the sole guardian that they have issue with, whatever anyone else thinks of that, its how they feel, and they have a right to feel however they like about who they are or arent comfortable with caring for their daughter.

Assuming the £1000ish they have paid out was done so on the reasonable belief you were going, i can see why they might feel you owe them something, because if it was made clear from the start and throughout it was a significant chance you might not go, rather than one casual throw away comment, they may have never agreed and wouldn't have paid out on flights, tickets, passes, entry to the event etc.
£1000 is a LOT to lose, maybe they already tried looking in to getting refunds and can't, neither of them can go in your place (plus surely it would cost even more in lost pay, and another flight etc) or they just cannot afford that option. They probably do hold you responsible as they made their decision to agree you to take her and paid out on all of this, believing you would almost certainly be there. Maybe they know asking you for the money (all, 50-50 or anything at all) is cheeky as all hell, but you have put them in a really awkward position of lose £1000 and have a very upset child, OR gamble their daughters safety for whatever reason it is they are uncomfortable with just your DH taking her.

Morally, only you know how clear you were or weren't about how likely it would actually be you could drop out. You don't want to pay anything towards what they're losing, but surely you must have some sympathy of how much THEY are losing because of your choice to not go along anymore. In your position, if you really weren't explicit that it was 50-50 if you went or not, i would feel guilty and like i had some moral obligation to reimburse at least something, but then i would never have offered to take anyone else child in the first place.

MadMags · 19/05/2018 20:55

OP?

donquixotedelamancha · 19/05/2018 21:05

Morally, only you know how clear you were or weren't about how likely it would actually be you could drop out. You don't want to pay anything towards what they're losing, but surely you must have some sympathy of how much THEY are losing because of your choice to not go along anymore

If someone is doing you a favour it does not obligate them to pay you if they can't complete that favour for valid reasons. It is the person accepting the favour who benefits from it, so it is them who accepts the risk. The OP is not choosing not to go, circumstances have changed. The other girl's parents could easily have anticipated that a pregnant woman might be unable to go.

But all that is irrelevant, because the OP has in no way let them down. Their daughter can still go. If they don't want her to because they don't like or trust her husband, or because they are sexist, then that is their problem.

Troels · 19/05/2018 21:09

This rediculous. Since 11/12 my Dd has been going to her friends house where the Dad is the at home parent, we have no issue with this. My Dh is the at home parent too, and I wondered why kids didn't come to playdates at ours while she was in junior school. Now I know, how sad for my child that they wouldn't come cause her Dad was home, she thought they didn't want to play with her. He seemed to be the only Dad at the school gates too, where he was ignored. What a bunch of small minded people. What happened to all parents male and female being able to look after their children equally?

MyLearnedFriend · 19/05/2018 21:10

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StealthPolarBear · 19/05/2018 21:12

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  1. I am not a misandrist, but well over 90% (It has to be something like 98%+) of sex offenders are male."
Let's assume the 98% figure is true. It may be. It doesn't mean 98% of men are sex offenders! 98% of murderers brush their teeth every morning... And so do I...
MyLearnedFriend · 19/05/2018 21:17

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