Men wanting to be Women

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To think transgender women really have no idea what being a women is ? . Maybe it's time we had a 3rd Gender . Be interested in hearing what real women & transwomen feel ?

Rat: you oppress trans people
Also Rat: you've been treating trans people like the opposite sex for centuries

I know I've asked this before but I would genuinely be interested in knowing what % of people who start the process of transitioning don't continue and what %who do transition regret it? This is a genuine question on my part .

I know I've asked this before but I would genuinely be interested in knowing what % of people who start the process of transitioning don't continue and what %who do transition regret it? This is a genuine question on my part

James Caspian was wanting to do some research on that...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3129659-Update-from-James-Caspian-on-his-case-against-Bath-Spa-University-to-be-allowed-to-research-detransitioners

I read one heartbreaking tale about a young man who tried to tell a nurse just before the op that he was unsure, but was shushed, given the anaesthetic and woke up with a howl of agony and regret when he reached down and realised his penis was gone.

lois people have been prevented from even looking.

If you look earlier on the process about 80% of children with gender issues end up being ok with their birth sex. This argues against affirmative treatment for minors.

Transadvocates don't care about th lives ruined along the way, they deny detransitioners exist, they deny that teenagers desist, they deny that gender identification could be a new teen rebellion, they actively campaign against efforts to ensure that as few people as possible make mistakes with life-changing decisions. It's callous and cruel.

I'm trying not to give too much info here but I have professionally met men who have decided they are women. In some cases this has manifested itself as changing name and wearing a dress. I really felt that there was some other underlying mental health issue going on. I clearly can't say more than that, but what worries me is firstly I don`t want to share a changing room with a man who is doing that and secondly without some sensible counselling I have the awful feeling that some will go on to have surgery which they will regret.And both scenarios could result in even more issues both for them and others. I have nothing against trans people by the way but I do feel that common sense is being thrown out of the window by people who have no idea of the practicalities of legislation .

You can stick spoilers, a loud exhaust and alloys on a Fiat Punto. That does not make it a Lamborghini.
Underneath, it's still a Fiat Punto.

I'm not convinced trans people are having an especially terrible time.

Stephen Whittle (extremely influential transactivist who was instrumental in getting the GRA 2004 passed) said:

Since 2010, the Equality Act has been a huge success, and has greatly improved job security and access to housing, goods and services for trans people. We have seen the number of claims of employment discrimination, or discrimination when accessing goods, services, housing and facilities drop to almost zero.

What's happening now is that unreasonable demands are being made and transactivists are experiencing resistance. This must come as a surprise to them as they have become used to forwarding their agenda 'quietly', without anybody noticing.

Miller's trans equality inquiry was absolutely shocking in its utter disregard for the rights, safety and wellbeing of women (thread here for those without access to the Times). She dismissed critics as 'women who purport to be feminists', while relying for evidence on groups like Action for Trans Health who have an interesting set of demands.

The report recommended not only that people should be able to get a GRC and legally change sex by a process of self-ID, but that where a tw has a GRC, the single sex exceptions in the equality act should not apply.

SAGES factsheet is good for explaining the implications of these proposals.

The government intend to consult on changing the GRA in the very near future. If you want a better consultation this time round, with women being properly informed and listened to, please sign the government petition here.

We are frequently told that the self-ID proposals will make no difference because the government have said they don't intend to change the EA. However governments only last a few years, then we get a new lot. Labour have committed to amending the EA.

There's being 'gender critical' and then there's being an actual bigot. I've reported your post.

I agree. I've not watched the video but using trannies is nasty. You're better than this.

As I said in the other thread with that youtube link, it's a gift to those pushing the transphobic' complaints. It could have been handled far more discretely.

That poster only has 5 posts, all from today.

who are all for trannies and migrants.
"Trannies" is horrible and it does nothing for your argument.

The way I see it, there are levels of belief/acceptance and some are reasonable while some are not. On a social level, if someone needs to present as female and this helps them, then that's perfectly fine. They should not suffer for it in any way and they should have appropriate medical care. Discrimination is rightly outlawed and I'm fully in favour of that too. I'm fine with calling Mary by her new name and pronouns don't bother me- again, whatever feels most comfortable.
To be honest, public toilets aren't a big deal for me, except in a thin end of the wedge way, because social norms with regard to female spaces are being eroded.
However, I will not say that Mary is now just another woman. She is not. Being a transwoman isn't shameful, is it? I don't need to pretend that Mary has a uterus to accept her. I wouldn't put her down or treat her as less than a natal woman, but pretending that she is biologically the same as me isn't helping her, and feels like an insult to what she actually is.
I know that none of this deals with men who just say they are women and demand access to places which would normally exclude them (making no effort to present as female or allay the fears of women and girls). I don't believe that these people are anything other than opportunistic bullies and they can fuck right off.

Please can people not keep repeating the T word?

Please can people not keep repeating the T word?

That depends entirely which word you mean.
'transwoman' or 'transman' are correct terms to use for someone who has changed their gender but cannot change their sex.

Very convincing posts.

She means the word which is being used to create an impression of gender critical people with concerns about the trans agenda as bigots.

Dontdribble, I agree with you 100%.Which is why I want commonsense to prevail.

"Trannies" is horrible and it does nothing for your argument.

Of course it doesn't - which is why new people come on here and pretend to be gender critical and post this stuff, screen shot it and then pretend it is gender critical people posting this stuff.

With names like 'gender critical' nudge nudge wink wink

They know how stupid and gullible their followers are and that they don't need to try all that hard.

I repeated the word to show anyone who comes on here that we do condemn it. It makes it a lot harder to say we're all bigots when we can point to something and say "actually, we think that's disgusting too and not what we're about".

Although now it looks like that's the only reason I objected to it. It's not, but that is why I repeated it.

The "You're better than that" was because I misread the poster and thought it was someone I've seen on here who always gave reasoned arguments. From what I've seen GenderCritical is not better than that. They are probably a plant though.

They know how stupid and gullible their followers are and that they don't need to try all that hard. Agreed, and the followers have no consideration for other women and girls: Trans Widows and their children, sports women and girls, women and girls who are genuinely afraid such as rape victims, abuse victims. The followers need to ask themselves why they are putting transwomen before their fellow women/girls? Stupid for not recognising the threat to Womens and Girls Rights.