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MIL from hell, bring popcorn... wtf do I do with her?

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LolaL · 15/05/2018 11:39

Well... where do I start with this one.
I posted a few weeks ago under a different name about my MIL being very controlling -- changing curtains in mine and my fiances house when I went home to visit my family for a few days, expecting us to visit her 3-4 times per week at short notice and kicking off when we don't, rearranging my kitchen when I went to ride my horse, turning up CONSTANTLY... list is endless...

Anyway, my fiance and I are getting married in the summer. Due to my hobby (horses - high level competitions), the fact I run my own business and that I relocated fucking miles a considerable distance to be with my fiance last year, I don't get too spend too much time with friends/family. I've never been a party animal type, dad was an alcoholic so getting out of control smashed is absolutely not what I like to do - saying that, when I do see my friends, I do really enjoy myself.
Past two weekends, I've been away with my friends (hobby related and my hen party). My fiance kicked off both times, badly and completely ruined my weekends. We've been together for 4 years and this has never happened before so I was worried about him, worried there may be underlying issues he's not talked to me about, more concerned about him that upset about arguments as very uncharacteristic behaviour. He wouldn't open up to me so I made the decision, in confidence, to have a chat with his brother about his behaviour. I've known BIL for longer than my DP, actually used to work for him, so know him well enough to talk in confidence.I know my DP has a huge amount of respect for him, thought he may be able to shed some light on why he is behaving like this.
Whilst I was over at his having a chat, I received a text from my MIL asking how my weekend was (she chose not to come to my hen party). Signal is poor there and I didn't receive. After an hour of me not texting back, apparently feeling "concerned" she came over to our house, dp was there, looked upset so obvious we'd had an argument and asked him what had happen, he told her to mind her own business and she left. Then went to my stables, trying to find me.
She then called SIL (bil's wife) gossiping, did she know that I'd left dp!!! - SIL, sat next to me(!), told her that she didn't know where this had come from, she shouldn't jump to conclusions, stop getting involved in people's businesses, everything was fine.
Cutting an even longer story shorter, I ended up staying at BIL+SILs for a few hours, played with my niece in the garden and having a bbq there. Got a good insight into why DP is upset (work issues), got some really lovely advice from BIL and all happy.
MIL called again, this time to BIL, saying how she was going to call my mum apologising to her about my DP. BIL told her to stay out of this, DP and I are fine, and not to contact my mum?!
I came home, walked into the house and DP was on the phone... my mum had just called him, v upset, asking why our wedding is off.
I called mum back, she said MIL had been on the phone, told her I had "fled" to BIL's and called off the wedding... mum obviously very hurt. MiL had also told her some insane lies... SIL having an affair, my business wasn't working out and I wanted to sell my horses??
MIL also text SIL telling her she is taking her completely awful, WHITE dress she was planning on wearing to our wedding back.

Every couple has issues at points... DP has admitted he's wrong, come clean about work stresses and has completely apologised for ruining my weekends. Went to the drs this morning and they've diagnosed him with anxiety. So no excuse for his behaviour but at least we're getting somewhere with it. At no point did I want to call off the wedding/split up etc.

What on earth do I do with my MIL? I'm so upset that someone would interfere in my relationship like this, for no apparent gain at all. She's really upset my mum and even more upset that off the back of what she's said to them, my parents are questioning whether I'm making the right move marrying him despite him not putting a toe out of line in the 4 years we've been together, except from this.

Appreciate this is a bit of an essay and thank you to anyone who is still here at the end!

OP posts:
Ohmydayslove · 15/05/2018 12:27

I think it’s really valuable that your bil/sil are supportive and understand what she’s like and that they both support your fiancée and you.

I like the idea of the WhatsApp group. It sounds a small thing but that kind of support and putting her into her box by laughing about her and all being on the same page can be hugely supportive and especially to your dh to help in his anxiety.

Inertia · 15/05/2018 12:27

You and DP need to confront her together. She either butts the fuck out, or she is uninvited from the wedding and there is no further contact. Your DP has to buy into it though, otherwise you are committing to a lifetime of this shit.

Cocolepew · 15/05/2018 12:28

1.Kill her.

  1. Tell her to fuck off and have nothing to do with her ever again .
I did the second, though came very close over the years to doing no. 1. Your DP HAS to back your decision . If he wants to see his mum let him crack on at her house only.
Zaphodsotherhead · 15/05/2018 12:28

How does your SIL deal with her? I presume your MIL (to be) also puts her other son and his wife through the wringer? Maybe get some tips from her as to how to handle the situation.

And maybe get your DP and his brother to unite and tell their mother where to get off. If your DP can't handle it alone, his DB sounds as though he might give him some back up.

CoraPirbright · 15/05/2018 12:29

Totally agree with Font and ohmydayslove. Preposterous suggestions about ltb and well done you for recognising that this is totally out of character and worrying enough about it to seek advice and get him some help. (Although, as a total aside, that amount of stress cant be good for someone - is he thinking about a career move?)

I think you need a summit with all parties. Lay out sentence by sentence what the mad old bat said & ask her why she did it. But be prepared for tears and tantrums. You might well need to take a view on going NC with her. How would your fiancé feel about that?

Ohmydayslove · 15/05/2018 12:29

You wonder why some people have kids to treat them with such cruelty. Angry

YetAnotherSpartacus · 15/05/2018 12:31

I know this is not what you are posting about, but I'd give DP a couple of weeks (more if possible, given your wedding is looming) then arrange another weekend away without him just to see if he 'kicks off' again.

Loonoon · 15/05/2018 12:31

Change the locks. Don't let her in if she calls round unexpectedly. Perhaps only see her on neutral territory. If she starts any more of this nonsense tell her 'I'm not discussing this with you' and leave.

But above all else, don't engage with her about this. It's just feeding the troll. She is trying to stir up drama and conflict. Starve her of the oxygen of attention.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/05/2018 12:31

LolaL

There’s an old saying that is quite relevant here: you can’t get blood from a stone.

In this case, you are the stone (or rock) and the blood is any behaviour that provides the narcissist with the supply they crave.
Keep dialogue to an absolute minimum. Avoid interacting with them as much as possible. But don’t make a big thing out of it as this will just give them ammunition.

When you do have to talk to her, stick to tedious subjects like the weather. If they ask questions, give short, uninspiring answers that can’t possibly lead to further conversation.
They ask, “how are you?” and you respond “fine, thanks.”
They ask, “what did you do at the weekend?” and you respond “I did my laundry and mowed the lawn.”
If they respond with “you’ve become boring,” just nod and smile in agreement (they don’t have to know that you disagree wholeheartedly with that statement).

A simple yes and no will suffice where appropriate, but sometimes you won’t want to commit to an answer if it means giving an opinion. In these cases a non-binding “hmmmm,” “maybe,” or “we’ll see” will do.

Never talk about your personal life, even the smallest details. They will hook their claws into any morsel of information you provide and use it to try and further the conversation and extract narcissistic supply from you. They want to know what you value in your life now. They envy what you have (regardless of what it is), and if they can’t have it, they will seek to take it from you somehow. Don’t give them the chance; remain secretive about your new life without them.
Never tell them how well you are doing (as much as it might please you to rub their noses in it). Remember, they are driven by their egos, and any suggestion that you are better off without them or that they are in some way inferior to you will be seen as an affront to their identity. They see themselves as above everyone else in every regard, and if you imply that you are doing better than they are, it will enrage them.

Do not ask them questions. Even if it seems like harmless small talk, as soon as you engage with them and ask them about their life, it gives them the green light to reel off a list of their recent accomplishments (whether true or fabricated) to belittle you. Or they might rant about a mutual acquaintance to see if you’ll react in any way. Don’t give them a platform. Don’t pander to their need for attention.

Try to stick to facts wherever possible. The last thing you want to do is get into a debate with them.

Avoid mention of the past at all costs. You don’t want to revisit those dark times even if they do. By bringing up your history, you risk the resurfacing of old wounds and arguments. You’ll also be faced with the blame game which is never a game you can win. If this should happen, one tactic which can help to diffuse the situation is to publicly accept responsibility for the problems you faced together (even if you don’t accept it on the inside). Any attempt to apportion some of the blame on them will only be met with denial, defensiveness, and attacks on you.

The Grey Rock Method is not always easy, but it is often effective. You might want to scream at them at times, but by biting your tongue and not flinching when they try to get a response, you will starve them of the drama they feed off. Rather than go without it (which is simply not an option for them), a narcissist will look elsewhere for a new source of supply.

In addition to your interactions with the narcissist, you can also try to mimic a grey rock in terms of what you look like and what parts of your lifestyle are visible to them.
If the narcissist is an ex-partner, try to appear as plain as possible when you have to see them. Narcissists have a very superficial eye, so by making yourself less physically attractive, you will fly under their radar more easily.

If they comment on how bad you look, let it go in one ear and out the other. They are trying to get a reaction from you, but if you just shrug as if you don’t care, they will believe you weren’t the catch they thought you were.

Create new social profiles if you can, but be aware that they might still be able to find you again. So change your privacy settings to restrict what they can see and use a very plain profile picture (or even one that isn’t of your face) so that they find it boring to try and snoop.
Avoid extravagance in any form that they might see. Go for a basic model of car, avoid jewelry, buy a modest house (if they should ever be required to visit). Don’t let them see anything that might make them think that you are doing well for yourself (for the reasons mentioned above).

It can seem like you are restricting your life for their benefit, and in some ways this is true, but remember that no car or house or other luxury will make you happy in the long run, especially if it riles up the narcissist you have no choice but to deal with. Having a life as free from them as possible will bring you the most peace and happiness, so do whatever it takes to make this a reality.

What To Expect From The Narcissist
When you employ the Gray Rock Method with a narcissist, you can expect them to react to it. They may not know precisely what you are doing (and you should NEVER tell them that you are taking this approach), but they will sense a change in your behavior toward them.
One common response is anger because it is something they have no doubt used countless times against you in the past. They may shout and they may act in a threatening way, but you must try to remain cool, calm, and composed in the face of their rage.
Alternatively, they may belittle you for staying silent or offering little in the way of a reaction. It’s the classic child-like approach to someone who isn’t listening; to call them names, tell them they are being silly, or laugh in their faces; anything to elicit a response.
Sadly, a narcissist is not shy when it comes to using others against you. In an attempt to draw you back into a confrontation, they may involve your children, your friends, your family, or your fellow colleagues. They will lie and fabricate stories about you, try to turn others against you, get others to do bully you, or threaten those you care about unless you comply with their wishes.

Always put your safety and the safety of those you care about first. If the threats seem genuine, seek the protection and guidance of the police, the courts, and the social authorities.
Other times, when you know the threats are nothing but words, you should hold your ground, remain steadfast in your Gray Rock approach, and wait for them to get bored. They will eventually.
If you can sustain your nonreactive stance, you will notice a shift in the narcissist. They may still try to push your buttons, but they will do so less and less often as they get tired of the playing the game. That’s not to say that they might not, at some point in the future, start trying in earnest again – possibly when their new source of supply dries up – but as long as you don’t take their bait, they will be forced to seek their narcissistic supply elsewhere once again.
One thing you should never expect from a narcissist is remorse. They have none. No matter how much hurt they caused you and however harrowing your ordeal, they will accept precisely zero blame or responsibility for it. So don’t go looking for it.

The Dangers Of Going Gray Rock
While it is an effective means of dealing with a narcissist when going no contact is simply not an option, the Gray Rock Method does have one or two downsides.
Firstly, you might try to use it in the wrong circumstances. When it IS possible to go no contact with a narcissist, you must always take this option. You might be tempted to simply use the Gray Rock approach rather than go through all the hassle of cutting them out once and for all, but this is not advisable.

Yes, you may still have feelings for them. Yes, you might hold out hope that they can change. Yes, it does require some upheaval and effort to ensure your paths never again cross. None of these things should be used as excuses for going Gray Rock when you have the option to go no contact. If you have unnecessary interactions with a narcissist, then you leave yourself open to the risk of falling back into their trap. As good as you may think you are at being nonreactive to them, it only takes one slip-up and you can soon find yourself in the unwelcome situation you tried to escape from.

The second danger of using this approach is that you let it creep into other parts of your life and other relationships. You may start using the silent treatment with friends or new partners, you may experience a growing sense of indifference toward the wider world, and you may lose interest in all the things you once had a passion for.

You can also lose the ability to empathize with others as you numb yourself to any emotion, fearing it leaves you vulnerable to manipulation. You have to remember that it is ok – even advisable – to be open and honest with other people, and to let your guard down and trust again. You can’t live the rest of your life at a distance from other people just because you have to take that approach with the narcissist.

The Gray Rock Method can be a very effective way to handle a narcissist who you have to still interact with on a regular basis. It can safeguard you against further hurt by making sure you don’t become one of their targets again. Remember, they don’t want to play with a boring toy, so be just that. Don’t be their entertainment, be their least favourite pastime.

Ohmydayslove · 15/05/2018 12:31

cocolepew Grin op take note! Flowers

LolaL · 15/05/2018 12:32

Completely agree with pp's ideas to sit down with family and discuss all of this together. Agree that dp and I need to draw some boundaries with her too.
I'm only worried that right now, today or tomorrow, may not be a good idea. He's so down and low as it is with his diagnosis, has really frightened that he has a mental illness... so difficult for men Sad... the last thing I want to do is cause him more stress by sitting him down either with bil or without to go through this.

She is the sort of person who will turn on the waterworks, make herself into a victim and turn it very nasty.

BIL has had issues with her in the past, SIL and him almost split up because of them a few years ago. SIL actually joked a few weeks back that she is so glad I came into the family as pressure is off her now!

Yes DP is the baby of the family, by quite a few years... BIL has set very firm boundaries, she doesn't see their DC much because of her behaviour... BIL is a very private person and hasn't explained to DP why this is... MIL fed DP lots of crap, played the victim card about this... DP wants her involved and she can be very sweet/fun to be around at times, she has lots of health issues and he feels sorry for her. It's just when she's feeling bored(?) I guess and completely takes the piss.

OP posts:
SandAndSea · 15/05/2018 12:32

At least it's out in the open which limits the chances of her lies being believed in the future and you being scapegoated.

I would make sure she can't get into your house uninvited and wouldn't invite her over again.

I would also consider moving further away from her.

Have a chat with your mum and make sure she knows what mil is like. Reassure her that you will tell her any important news yourself.

Personally, I would delay the wedding until this situation is more under control as people like this rarely change and your dp and bil clearly haven't been able to whip her into shape so far. I wouldn't underestimate how much unhappiness a mil like this can bring to your life.

Have a good talk with your dp and come up with a unified plan of action. You need to be on the same page with regards to dealing with her.

Good luck with it all.

flimflaminurjams · 15/05/2018 12:32

Ignore the LTB'ers OP.

It does sound like DP has a stressful job, hence the anxiety (hey it happens people, we are not all in jobs as yoga teachers!). You've spoken to DP about it and started to get him some support. Excellent. This is a good move and good you are doing it together.

I also can't help but feel that perhaps STBMIL's behaviour and how much it grates you has probably added to his anxiety. Add in a wedding with the aggro that causes and hey presto!

I'm afraid setting STBMIL some boundaries is the next step. It won't be pleasant, but it will make things better in the long run and defo defo do it before kids come along!

Rather than an all guns blazing approach (tempting I know), try to figure out where this batshitness comes from. Is he the youngest of her children, has she been mothering him as an adult if he lived on his own? Has she always been like this? Don't burn bridges if you can, as you may need her for childcare in the future. Acknowledge her only wanting to help (laundry etc) but say its not necessary.

Changing locks and things like that is a last resort, but both my DM and MIL have a key (have DD and pets so makes sense).

Good luck OP.

Fruitcorner123 · 15/05/2018 12:33

LolaL i wonder if his mum's behaviour is contributing to his anxiety. She needs confronting. She sounds like a nightmare.

that said it still doesn't sit right that he kicked off twice when you went away. Have you been on weekends away without him in the past?

flimflaminurjams · 15/05/2018 12:34

ah cross posted in the time it took me to type that (need to type faster lol)

UrgentScurryfunge · 15/05/2018 12:35

Ulitmately, for your relationship to thrive, you and DP need to working together as a team to manage her. As other PPs have said, she may well be a factor in his anxiety, but at this stage he may not be feeling up to more draconian measures like NC. From this outrageous display of behaviour, I could see it going down that route as I'd be pleasantly surprised if she would permanently respond to diplomacy and firm boundaries.

Mixing her current behaviour up with grandchildren could be "interesting" if she is allowed to contine doing as she wishes.

Remember, you two hold the cards. You can establish control.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/05/2018 12:36

LolaL

re your comment:-
"Completely agree with pp's ideas to sit down with family and discuss all of this together. Agree that dp and I need to draw some boundaries with her too"

Unfortunately for you both, you as a couple have now become her favourite pastime.

Yes to the above (do not however speak with his mother) and your boundaries as well as his need to be further raised urgently. She won't like that at all because she will want you to get back into the roles she has assigned for you.

DragonMummy1418 · 15/05/2018 12:37

Of course everyone on MN jumps on the LTB bandwagon for no reason whatsoever ever. 🙈

I think you have two options with your MIL... either cut her out completely or have a very frank up front talk with her where you lay everything out and tell her how things will be and warn her that if she continues with her behaviour that she won't be in yours / any dc you have lives.

CoraPirbright · 15/05/2018 12:38

BIL has set very firm boundaries, she doesn't see their DC much because of her behaviour... BIL is a very private person and hasn't explained to DP why this is

This is interesting - do you think you could get your BIL to have a chat wth your fiancé and come clean about just how badly his mother’s behaviour has affected him and nearly caused a split with SIL. It might help your fiancé to identify these behaviours from her and then make him realise that its not just him and it really isnt healthy.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/05/2018 12:39

Her batshitness likely started long before her children were born and started in her own childhood by her parents (one of whom was likely just as disordered of thinking as well).

BTW Lola, what if anything do you know about his mother's familial background because that will provide clues.

I would NEVER use his mother for childcare; look at the emotional harm she has already caused to her son and his fiancé the OP as well as SIL and her H. His mother is really not a safe person to be at all around, she fundamentally cannot be trusted.

ToadOfSadness · 15/05/2018 12:40

Please think carefully about whether you want the rest of your life to be like this. It will not change.

Ohmydayslove · 15/05/2018 12:41

Ffs people no he’s not kicked off before as the op has already said stop projecting!! The dh has mental health issues.

Of course his mum behaviour isn’t helping. Op my dh has a complete melt down through stress at work, his mum dying and me being 8 months pregnant with dc6!!

you will get through this honestly. Stay as calm as you can to support him. Maybe the talk with your mil should wait until he’s feeling mentally stronger after the wedding??

Keep talking to your bil/sil they sound ace.

Tell all your friends and family what mil has done

Change your locks

Have a cracking wedding and hopefully a good honey moon break and when you get home think about the way forward. Flowers

MrsMozart · 15/05/2018 12:41

Yup. Batshit crazy.

Set ground rules and be clear to all.

Take your key back and change the locks.

Only see MiL when in the company of someone else.

Enjoy your life with your DP/H.

HappyHedgehog247 · 15/05/2018 12:42

I think you and DP need to be a United front on agreeing what the boundaries are but that you will probably need to exert them as he does not sound strong enough currently. I think this is a watershed moment as if she sees she gets away with this, I expect her involvement to heighten. I think it's outrageous she called your family and I think your family could reinforce that they don't want to hear from her about your and DPs relationship. I would not be letting her into the house except when invited, not upstairs etc.

Karigan1 · 15/05/2018 12:48

She sounds bat shit crazy to me. Can your partner and you not move a long way away from her (like another country ;)).

The only thing you can do is be firm. Speak to DP first and see if you can agree an approach first but do it now. Otherwise with this level of interference and drama she could cause problems in your relationship.