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To think he should pay on first date???

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namechangerforthis123 · 14/05/2018 23:31

Had a 'frank' discussion with a girlfriend at the w/e who was outraged that I thought a first date should pay for dinner.

I am v independent, decent career, probably generally feminist views on the whole.
He made it v clear he liked me.

But it was such a turn off when he started calculating how much it was each! 

It just was a passion killer; can't explain why!!

Would be interested to hear the MN view on this. Get your flame throwers ready! 

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namechangerforthis123 · 16/05/2018 22:48

@HelenaDove WineI just kept reading ppl saying 'it's a generational thing' & assumed I must be waaaaaaay old before my time. But I think not.

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siwel123 · 16/05/2018 22:50

It's all good I realised it is in jest Grin. I could do with a swift Gin though.

namechangerforthis123 · 16/05/2018 23:01

@siwel123 what a pity you have a shared bog roll partner otherwise you could buy me dinner! GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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namechangerforthis123 · 16/05/2018 23:02

Oh my god, I crack myself up!

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siwel123 · 16/05/2018 23:20

@Namechange Grin I have to give you that one.
Well we could split the bill for the first one and then maybe just maybe I could treat you Grin.

Voci · 16/05/2018 23:31

In what world? What self respecting person would want that as their goal? How shallow, lazy and selfish.

It’s a preference; like only dating tall men or women with a PhD.

I wouldn’t recommend it or anything but people can do as they please. Let’s be honest, life is easier when you have money so it’s quite understandable. It’s more common than you think. Most of the time, the woman transforms in a sort of enabler and she makes his life easier and enhances his earning capability by allowing him to work more etc… Quite a few of my friends have partners like that. Mutually profitable arrangement it seems. Or to a lesser degree, for some women, one of the biggest advantages to finding a partner is that they can go and work (more) part-time (see the Netherlands etc…). It’s fine by me as long as everybody is happy and respected.

All depends on what sort of partner you want.

Petitepamplemousse · 16/05/2018 23:40

@LipstickHandbagCoffee. Out of interest when you say ‘we individually pay for what we ate and drank’, do you literally mean you count your meals and drinks, rather than just split it down the middle?

I have literally never even split with a boyfriend once out of uni. I’ve bought dinner or lunch lots, which is much nicer- much prefer to take it in turns to treat each other once relationship is established.

Ruffian · 16/05/2018 23:49

I'm all for equality but think it gets taken too far these days.

Worthy of George Orwell that is.

RubyFlint · 17/05/2018 00:01

I’m absolutely with you OP.

I’d take it as a good indication of what’s to come. Penny pinching. As a rule I more than pay my way, but seriously. on a first date? He’s clearly not out to impress! I’d be off 😀

shinycat · 17/05/2018 00:46

I am an independent, strong professional woman (and always have been) and when I met my DH (3 years younger than me) in the early 1990's, he was a low-earning worker on an apprenticeship. He was earning £55 a week (around £120 in today's money,) and he spent two thirds of his weeks wage on taking me out on our first date.

He took me to a club, he bought me drink after drink (even though I kept offering to buy a round, he insisted it was fine) and he took me for coffee after (at an all night diner,) and then drove me home to my door. I asked if he wanted anything towards the club entry and the drinks, and he said 'no no no, it's fine, maybe you can get us a coffee when we meet for lunch in the week ...' We did meet and I did buy the coffees.

I knew from that moment (that he spent two thirds of his weekly wage on me, trying to impress me even though he was quite poor and earning much less than me) that he was 'the one.' Call me old fashioned, I don't give a fuck to be honest, but the fact this man was so smitten with me that he pulled out all the stops to impress me, won me over big time.

And as I said, I paid next time (for lunch) and it was his birthday 3 weeks after our first date, and I spent £35 on him (in the early 1990's more like £70 now!) and he was bowled over by the fact I had bought him such a lovely gift, so soon after first dating him.

I don't think men should pay for everything always, but yes, it is nice, and a good sign, when they want to treat you on the first date. It sets the tone imo. If a man asked me on a date, and then insisted on calculating what we had both spent (down to the last penny,) made me pay my own way into a club and then insisted on paying half each for the taxi, I probably would be massively put off, and no, I would not see him again. That, to me, would be a sign he is a stingy cunt.

In my experience (and that of many women I know,) a man who is tight and mean on a first date and insists on paying only for what HE has consumed, is not going to be some kind, thoughtful, gentlemanly, chivalrous darling later on in your relationship, who will see you through thick and thin.

He will always be as tight as a duck's arse, he will always keep HIS money to himself, and when you are a stay-at-home-mum (or go part time,) and you are responsible for looking after the kids, you will struggle to get any money out of him to look after the house and kids, as he will see the money he earned as his.

I have seen many a woman I know with a man like this, and after raising the children for a few years, he insists she goes back to work full time, and brings extra money in, but he does fuck-all in the house and rarely looks after the kids, as he still sees it has 'her job' even though she is working (full time) now too.

A man who is tight on the first date, is almost certainly going to be tight forever more, and is not going to be a great life partner.

I know that won't sit well with some on here, but it's true. A man who is mean on a first date, will not be a life affirming, kind, considerate, generous man, who will carry you when you earn less than him and are struggling. He will be way more likely to keep his pennies to himself and tell you that you should have worked harder to get a better job.

I know half a dozen couples where the man is earning more, and he NEVER pays for the woman, and insists they pay half for everything; meals out, food, bills, everything... and she struggles to make ends meet, whilst he squanders his money on frivolous crap and lives the life of Riley. Three of the couples are married, and it's such an unpleasant sight to witness.

Fortunately I have not been cursed with a man like that, and am in a relationship where he gives, and cares, and loves me, and has carried me when I needed him to, with NO complaints.

And I have always done the same for him............

HelenaDove · 17/05/2018 00:58

"you should have worked harder to get a better job."

Well hes not alone in that assumption.....................(innocent face)

bananafish81 · 17/05/2018 02:24

First date - bill arrives and I will immediate proposed splitting it. If they rebuff the idea and offer to pick up the bill, I'd say that was really thoughtful of them, but am happy to go halves (and would expect them to respect my wishes and not force the issue)

Unlikely to let them pay unless I were absolutely sure a second date would be on the cards - in which case I'd probably let them pay but only on the condition I got the bill next time.

If they immediate accept my suggestion of going halves, and don't offer to pay, then fair enough - can't mark them down for agreeing to what I've asked!

I would rarely if ever let the guy pay on a first date, as I hated to feel like the guy might feel I owed him something in return (although again I suppose that might smoke out some of the arseholes who did think that way!)

Petrify · 17/05/2018 05:04

In my opinion he should always pay anyway. If not bin him x

namechangerforthis123 · 17/05/2018 07:15

@siwel123 you would get the chance! GrinWine

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namechangerforthis123 · 17/05/2018 07:16

Can't some nice MN set me up with their handsome brother?! Grin

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BoxsetsAndPopcorn · 17/05/2018 07:20

I know that won't sit well with some on here, but it's true. A man who is mean on a first date, will not be a life affirming, kind, considerate, generous man

So by that little gif, every woman that expects the man to pay us none of those things.

Jazzy11 · 17/05/2018 07:39

I think it's polite for the person who asked the other out/chose the restaurant to pay the bill.

I think it is equally polite for the person who ate and drank half the contents of the bill to offer to pay half.

And if the date hasn't gone well I think the inviter should accept the other going half if they want to, but if they want a second date they should say 'how about I get this one and you the next?'

This! All day Smile

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 17/05/2018 07:55

A man who is mean on a first date, will not be a life affirming, kind, considerate, generous man

Does that apply to women as well? If she does not even offer to open her purse can I assume she is a entitled freeloading gold digging parasite?

dorisdog · 17/05/2018 08:16

As a general etiquette, if someone (of whatever gender/intentions) invites someone else specifically out for a meal, then they pay. But I think the difference can be quite subtle. Like if one of my friends said: 'shall we go for lunch?' I'd expect to split. If someone said 'can I take you out for dinner' I'd assume they were paying. These days I'd probably say something to establish that, though, like 'ooooh, I'd love to, but I'm not sure I can afford it' to give them the opportunity to say whether they are paying.
As for dates, I always kept it light, just go for drinks, etc. A meal always felt a bit too much for a first date.

OliviaStabler · 17/05/2018 08:24

@BoxsetsAndPopcorn

Unless you are looking for a partner that will take care of you financially. No shame in that. It’s a valid goal

In what world? What self respecting person would want that as their goal? How shallow, lazy and selfish.

This world. I've met people who never want to work or have a career and want to be taken care of for a number of different reasons. Just because you disapprove, does not mean that the wish is invalid. It takes all sorts in this world of ours.

JavaJava · 17/05/2018 08:33

I would expect him to offer
I would expect to offer
I would predict that we would settle on half each.
I am quite chilled about money, so I would want to see he is too, and I'd want to know that we would easily come to an agreement.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 17/05/2018 09:11

I've met people who never want to work or have a career and want to be taken care of for a number of different reasons. Just because you disapprove, does not mean that the wish is invalid

I don't think people are claiming that wish is 'invalid', its just a rather depressing goal in life. I have met those sort of people too, and yes I do think less of them, to me it shows a total lack of independence, self reliance and to put it bluntly outright laziness. As I mentioned several pages back there are men out there who would entertain such an arrangement but lets not pretend that such a relationship is one of equals. What is that term often used on here to describe a freeloading work shy man? Cocklodger?

shinysinkredemption · 17/05/2018 09:12

shinycat what you say, all day every day. No one wants to date a stingy cunt. That does not make someone a gold digger. It's more nuanced than that.

Collaborate · 17/05/2018 09:18

No one wants to date a stingy cunt.

The issue is, when one of the couple is prepared to pay half, and the other doesn't want to pay anything, who is the stingier cunt?

LeighaJ · 17/05/2018 09:30

I'm from the Southern US, where chivalry has yet to be murdered. I've never dated a man from the US or UK or any other country, who didn't pay for food and entertainment expenses on dates.

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