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To think he should pay on first date???

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namechangerforthis123 · 14/05/2018 23:31

Had a 'frank' discussion with a girlfriend at the w/e who was outraged that I thought a first date should pay for dinner.

I am v independent, decent career, probably generally feminist views on the whole.
He made it v clear he liked me.

But it was such a turn off when he started calculating how much it was each! 

It just was a passion killer; can't explain why!!

Would be interested to hear the MN view on this. Get your flame throwers ready! 

OP posts:
NasdaqYouTwat · 16/05/2018 18:46

And to those who just like 'tradition'... Do you follow any traditions that don't benefit you?

FreeMantle · 16/05/2018 18:47

I don't ask men out anymore actually. If they ask I know they at least have enough balls to ask and then I can weed out the ones I don't fancy, the ones who are players etc etc.
I used to ask blokes out but on the whole they'd say yes out of politeness or because there was a possibility of a shag. Easier to let them do the running.
I'm getting married this year so that's that though!

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 16/05/2018 18:47

What do you do on the first date to show him that you have these qualities?

Good luck getting a response, I asked the same thing several pages back. While quick to label men as tight or mean these women see no hypocrisy when they utterly refuse to open their purse.

etcher70 · 16/05/2018 18:48

I'm with you namechangeforthis - I would like a man to pay on a first date. I guess I think it shows that he is caring and 'gentlemanly'. There are plenty of other ways to be equal (or unequal) in a relationship.

FrustratedTeddyLamp · 16/05/2018 18:49

Because it's not a business meal. He's asked you because he fancies you and he should be demonstrating his kindness and generosity.

Surely this is a 2 way street and you accepted because you fancy him?

Realistica · 16/05/2018 18:49

Slightly related to nasdaq's post above, I'm a man and would always offer to pay on the first date.

I'd think slightly less of any date that didn't sincerely attempt to go halves, though. Silently accepting to be paid for does not demonstrate generosity or good manners.

RoadToRivendell · 16/05/2018 18:51

And to those who just like 'tradition'... Do you follow any traditions that don't benefit you?

I pick and choose. HTH.

3awesomestars · 16/05/2018 18:51

I haven’t read the whole thread but yes I think you are absolutely BU.

Old fashioned, ridiculously sexist views and I cannot understand an independent career minded person willing to put themselves into that pigeon hole.

That being said, if he started to add up exactly what each of you had that would be really annoying and a bad sign to me, split down the middle, know where you both stand - perfect 👌

FreeMantle · 16/05/2018 18:55

Nasdaq - you don't have to do anything but be yourself.
Hopefully he'll get that you are kind and generous through conversation and your willingness to get some drinks in later perhaps.
I don't like the idea that you have to make it easy for him by being nicey nice.

FrustratedTeddyLamp · 16/05/2018 18:55

I feel like the " person who does asking does the paying" is a cop out. We all know that MN do the majority of the asking, so it's essentially still saying men should pay.
In this case it cost £30, so would have cost him 60, it's possible to have 2-3 dates a week so that's £90 spent on other people's company in a week/ 360 a month. With no guarantee that they've even gone there in good faith even liking the guy.

vincettenoir · 16/05/2018 18:56

I would’nt necessarily say YABU if that’s what you find attractive. But Freud might say that what you find attractive in a man comes from your own father / family dynamic and it could be that what you learned to find attractive when you were growing up is outdated in the current climate.

Personally if someone offered to buy me dinner on a first date I would happily accept. However I wouldn’t mind splitting at all.

NasdaqYouTwat · 16/05/2018 19:00

FreeMantle

So a man has to foot the entire bill to prove he's generous and kind while a woman just has to 'be herself'. Madness.

ton181 · 16/05/2018 19:00

Why?

FrustratedTeddyLamp · 16/05/2018 19:00

Men do the majority of the asking

FrustratedTeddyLamp · 16/05/2018 19:00

Bold fails

Armchairanachist · 16/05/2018 19:02

Did you offer to pay for it all?

Plumbuddle · 16/05/2018 19:03

NasdaqYouTwat, I personally always did that when I was in the dating game. I am nearly 60 now and followed the advice of my grandmother to my mother, "Never let a man pay for you" and also, "Never let a man buy you underwear". So I guess I am, by the terms of this debate, a feminist hardliner of the highest pedigree. And yet, whilst I always paid my way on dates and also was the first to put my hand in my pocket, that most certainly did not stop me noticing it when other people either did not also offer to host any given date or pay their way. The worst experience I had of that sort from a man on a first date was when he insisted we not tip the waiter so his 50% contribution would accordingly be reduced by a few quid. I was mortified and tipped the waiter fully myself. And I was fully turned off him. So PGGB, you have got another answer on "these women" (there have been plenty of previous ones too, but perhaps you filtered out "those women").

When I read the first post, yes I didn't know whether op was expecting a male to pay per se or whether she just had the common etiquette that the asker to the first date also hosts it (which seems pure logic). But what came over to me was that the op could tell instinctively that this man was tight and mean by seeing him take his attention away from their happy shared vibe to dwell on a calculation that probably did not save him that much money, but was disproportionate in that it took all the joie de vivre out of the evening's experience and just sought to make it the cheapest possible for himself rather than a hospitable gift to his guest.

To me this is about hospitality not gender and the posters saying meanness with money always signifies meanness emotionally, are absolutely spot on.

The poster does not come over to me as equally mean as he was, she comes over as deflated and disappointed that the man in her company was not completely taken up with showing her a good time but was asking for his hospitality back; as if a first date that he had himself generated, was a potential ripoff rather than a generous gesture. That is simply repulsive.

So take it from a dyed-in-the-wool nearly pensioner feminist, daughter and grand-daughter of feminists, who usually had her wallet out first with men, it's quite instinctively immediately apparent when someone is mean whether they are male or female and paying 100%, 50% or nothing. OP is right to listen to her instinct.

PurpleDaisies · 16/05/2018 19:04

I don't like the idea that you have to make it easy for him by being nicey nice.

Paying for your fair share of the evening is being “nicey nice”?

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 16/05/2018 19:05

Hopefully he'll get that you are kind and generous through conversation and your willingness to get some drinks in later perhaps.

What if you decide that there will be no second date or drinks later on? Do you offer to go Dutch or let him pay anyway?

Browncoat1 · 16/05/2018 19:05

I'd totally expect to, and have no objections, to going half on a first date. But providing either party hasn't gone totally mad and ordered things that are stupidly expensive I'd expect to split it down the middle. I'm not sure if I'd go on a second date with someone who calculated how much we should pay each depending on what we had Hmm

Dieu · 16/05/2018 19:07

Brilliant response Plumbuddle and I agree wholeheartedly.

caringcarer · 16/05/2018 19:09

When I was much younger and dating the majority of my first dates who asked me out paid for the meal, cinema or whatever. I offered to buy drinks after. A few of my ex boyfriends always insisted on paying for every date but they worked and I was a student then so not much money which they understood. When I go out with dh he always pays for meals, cinema etc. I never ask him to he just picks up bill and pays it. We have separate accounts as well as joint so it is his money. If we go on holiday we pay from joint account which we pay equal amounts into.

Delatron · 16/05/2018 19:09

Very well put plumbuddle. That's what I was trying (and gave up) to say. It's about honesty and generosity and that 'instinct'. Nothing to do with gender.

Both men and women can be mean and tight and it becomes apparent quite quickly in a social situation that involves food and drinks...

user1483875094 · 16/05/2018 19:13

aw gawd....!!! I think very many mnetters are entirely missing the point... you SAID he started "calculating it out". That in itself is the biggest, most embarrasing turn-off.... and killer. He could have just "halved it" but to start actually calculating it out.... OMG no, just NO. Run a mile.

nakedscientist · 16/05/2018 19:14

To me this is about hospitality not gender and the posters saying meanness with money always signifies meanness emotionally, are absolutely spot on

And me ^

No one likes a tight arse!

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