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To be feeling shit after spending time with wealthier friends

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Iwantmoreketchupplease · 12/05/2018 15:52

Actually I'm pretty sure I am being unreasonable but I need to get it out anyway so please don't flame me Blush I've been on here ages but have name changed for this.

DH and I met up with our best friends (two other married couples) yesterday evening. Coincidentally, the other two men have both just secured big (as in potentially life changing) promotions at work so there was a lot of talk about that as both couples are, understandably, excited about what it means for them. Both couples were already quite a bit better off than us, to the extent that sometimes when they suggest things for us all to do, places to eat etc. it's awkward because we have to say "actually we can't afford that". So now the difference between our situations will become even more pronounced I suppose. Last night one of the women was excitedly chatting about how she can now afford to give up work to be a SAHM and the other couple were talking about their plans for a 'holiday of a lifetime' next year.

I am pleased for them. Really, I am. But I also feel like DH and I are getting left behind and I suppose I'm just realising that this kind of thing will never happen for us. I've never thought of myself as a materialistic person but i'm ashamed to say I've found myself feeling quite low about it all today.

DH is currently working 50+ hour weeks and has a hellish commute on top of that. He is trying so hard to get on at work but was recently passed over for promotion (in favour of a younger, less experienced man who happens to be dating the bosses daughter) and I know he's feeling quite deflated. He has tried looking elsewhere but he works in quite a niche area and his are limited as he has no academic qualifications. He was always bright but didn't apply himself in school and left school at 16 to go out to work as soon as he could to his very difficult and chaotic home life, whereas most of our friends our educated at least to degree level. I had a well paid but very stressful part time role but was forced to give it up following a breakdown in my mental health. So I now have to work full time in a less stressful, but lower paying, low status job that I'm overqualified for. Everyday I'm talked down to by people who assume I'm uneducated or inexperienced because of my position. There is no possibility of progression and I'll never be able to go back to what I was doing before. So neither of us is where we want to be and I think last night just really brought it home to me.

I know we are lucky compared to many (we have our own home, for example) but we haven't had a holiday for years and have to budget very carefully. I know money isn't everything, but of course it would be nice to have the money to join a gym, get a cleaner, go on regular shopping trips and spa days like most of my friends do or to not have to worry if something goes wrong with the car or an appliance breaks down unexpectedly.

Any words of wisdom or advice on how to get past feeling like this would be much appreciated. I definitely don't want to distance myself from good friends just because they're doing better in life than we are but equally I don't want to feel like shit every time we get together.

OP posts:
Crispbutty · 13/05/2018 18:03

"I'm not "unhappy with my life". I am married to (Imo) the kindest, funniest man in the world. I have healthy, happy DC. We have a lot of fun together. I have a close, supportive extended family. I have a very nice life and am grateful to have my health back most importantly"

And that really is priceless.. no money can buy that, it really cant.

I was married to someone, we had plenty of disposable cash, flash car, luxury holidays.. but behind closed doors he was a violent alcoholic bastard. I left.. with nothing, not even my clothes as he poured oil all over them..

Four years down the line and I am so happy with a lovely kind thoughtful and wonderful man. We dont have a lot of money, and we work bloody hard to earn what we do, but we have fun, we laugh together, we appreciate treats when we can afford them. And my mental health, which was wrecked for 13 long miserable years is now restored back to happy.

Goldilocks3Bears · 13/05/2018 18:17

Loads of posted about money not being everything and that’s right. I can just imagine how that went, the boys posturing and comparing the sizes of their dicks and the other girls cackling about spa days....

So listen, what you see is not always what you get. I have posh city friends who show a glossy life but when you look under he bonnet, they’re mortgaged to the eyeballs, he lives in permanent fear of getting the sack and she would probably die if she had to go back out to work.
I also have friends who work in low qualification/high pay jobs, like the sewage treatment plants, commercial electrics, etc. and raking it in. Mortgage free because they stayed humble and relaxed and have money and time free to be spontaneous and if it all goes wrong.

You do you. Stop comparing. A word of caution - some friends like these might dump you if you’re not on par with them any longer but then they were never your friends to start with. Get some new ones.

Loki1983 · 13/05/2018 18:42

I understand how you feel. However, the things you mention as ‘aspirational’ don’t appeal to me. Cleaner, spa days, who cares?!!! Get yourself a good camping set up and enjoy your young family, I couldn’t care less about stuff like cleaners and spa days. Happiness is enjoying your own life, do yourself a favour and stop comparing xx

wildgarlicflowers · 13/05/2018 19:22

I tend to have a yardstick of only spending lots of time with friends that make feel happy and a little lighter than before.

Your friends should have been far more thoughtful about your feelings, and made light of their good fortune. Manners cost nothing.

I don't think this about what they have as such, but having to sit there all night and listen to it. A proper friend would not make you feel like shit.

Pull away, spend some time with people that make you good

RedForFilth · 13/05/2018 20:25

When I got my promotion the first thing my friends did was organise a night to celebrate! I don't know if it's different as I'm still the poorest one and I'm a single parent. I've never really felt jealous as I'm happy for them and I've made a really good and happy life for myself.
Before I discovered I was pregnant I was in loads of physically, sexually and emotionally abusive relationships and I was an addict. So I compare how lucky I am now to where i was 4 years ago rather to what they're up to.

flowerpott · 13/05/2018 20:29

I'm sure everyone has felt like this at some point in time, OP. Don't feel bad about it.

Just remember you're on a journey and nothing is fixed in stone. Great news for your friends, they're on an up moment right now and rightly, feel happy about that.

In your shoes, I would work towards my next step. It's understandable that you can't (and reasonably don't want to) return to your old career, but it also sounds that you're unfulfilled in your current job. Perhaps focus on finding something that is a progression for you at this stage, but still supports your need for a work life balance and doesn't put you too much under pressure.

Don't worry about DH at work, he will find his own way, but try to work out what will help you to feel happier and more fulfilled with your work (even if that's as simple as a pay rise, or more responsibility, or a role that better utlilises your skills) and start working on a plan towards that.

rosenylund · 13/05/2018 20:44

I have a small tight knit group of friends from childhood and they have all done fabulously frankly, worked hard and made the most of opportunities and are lovely people.

I spend time reminding myself of this as I feel jealous of their lives, knowing mine will never be like that. I can't afford the holidays, will never own a house, not married etc.

I went through a terrible period where I would see them and slump into a terrible mindset of feeling jealous and a total failure. I started blocking them off and making excuses not to see them, as it made me feel so shit about myself.

They weren't doing anything to make me feel like that, my head put me there and it's been my thing to deal with.

It's hard when you feel you have been left behind. But at the end of the day you became friends for a reason and that's what hopefully keeps you friends.

rOsie80 · 13/05/2018 20:48

I often feel the same. I know you want to be the bigger person and not distance yourself, but honestly, life's to short to surround yourself with people who make you feel bad. If you're going to have more fun and feel more motivated about life around different people then do that. In sport, they say always train with someone slightly better than you. "Slightly" being the point here. Someone with years more experience/practice will just dent your confidence and you'll get nothing out of it (but they'll feel great!) Might be best to take some time out so you can focus on appreciating what you've what and build on that, and if you find friends who fully get your situation then you'll be much better off. IMO anyway. You can always resume a closer friendship with these people when you're feeling more at ease around them.

LLB007 · 13/05/2018 20:48

I recently attended a great session on how you can be a good friend - it was about 'being the safe place for others' - nothing to do with money, holidays, promotion etc. I know it may sound trite but the others are right. It's OK and normal to feel like shit - I've had mental health issues too and have to work hard at being OK - but IT IS OK...chin up.

jacknutter · 13/05/2018 20:52

Just be pleased for them, you have a good life, a lovely husband it seems so to be honest not sure why you posted, everyone is different, we don't have all the same possessions or values but all happy in our own way. Unless you posted because you are not happy despite what you stated in your initial post...

TakemedowntoPotatoCity · 13/05/2018 20:54

Ever read A Squash And A Squeeze by Julia Donaldson?

A woman complains that her house is too small. So a wise old man tells her to put in a chicken, then pig, etc all the way up to a cow. with each animal and complains that the house is getting smaller and smaller etc till in the end he says take them all out, and of course her house feels huge then.

The moral of the story is perspective. I would love to have my own home. Others would love a child perhaps. I bet your friends will still be wanting something they don't have - because they come across in your op as rather materialistic. Such people are rarely satisfied.

You have love, a family, a home. You have everything you need SmileFlowers

SweetCheeks1980 · 13/05/2018 21:03

I'm not rich and I have a dream of having a home (doesn't have to be big) in the middle of nowhere so I can have more rescue animals - mainly dogs (already have 50+ pets).
My friend decided to tell me that him and his wife were buying a big house in the country and - of course - they'd had to add a £100,000 pounds on their mortgage as it was imperative that they had a heated pool 😂😂 I was soooooo envious I thought I'd turned green there and then, but I am over it now. The wife works very hard in her job and earned it.
I am only interested in the most basic low paid job as it's my passion. I just wish my passion was to have been a barrister or something.

Glitterbug76 · 13/05/2018 21:13

Hiya , I lost my sister when she was 20 aslong as my family are healthy nothing matters to me , but that's just me. If you live that life your freinds have it will never be enough bigger house better car. It's competitive and like others said the work life balence isn't good.

MuvaWifey77 · 13/05/2018 22:16

I have friends from all sort of backgrounds. And at work I felt bullied and ended up quitting and being a SAHM against my own will ... because if they asked me where I was taking my son for his bday and I replied NY, someone had to say “waw that’s where I went for my 30th, your son is only 5!” Or “how much is that dress?” “How many Cartier bracelets you have again ? “ They started making up gossip about me , even though I worked the hardest because I am too young to be a SAHM... here I am a SAHM and I hate it it’s shit. Money isn’t everything

anne2000 · 13/05/2018 22:40

Most of your life is within your control. never say never. You don't know what the future holds. Love what you have now though and appreciate every blessing. Find some more friends too at the same income level. Life passes quickly. Don't spend it unwisely. I am 67 so I can be wise. Be happy. 😊

Kaybush · 13/05/2018 23:40

OP I know how you feel but it's all relative.

When I was at secondary school I was a bit taken aback when someone said I had the wealthiest parents in the school. Yet I remember occasions when my parents met up with their old university friends and my DM seemed deflated afterwards and said she wished my DF had networked better/joined more clubs so he could have earned what his friends earned.

She also found them show-offy and I had to point out to her that, while she got excited by a dress purchase, they got excited by a house purchase abroad - it was just another level.

We're now comfortable but not super wealthy, but I have a lot of friends that don't have that security and I'm very careful about how I frame our lifestyle as I'm keen to keep them as friends. For me friendship trumps wealth absolutely.

Abbylee · 13/05/2018 23:57

The first time I got a promotion i was beyond excited about it and shared the news. Decades later, money and promotions are quiet accomplishments as are the unfortunate times when we take backward steps financially.

We all have paths to follow. Try not to compare yourself to others.

I've had friends who surpass us and those who don't. My friend whose family is less fortunate spends much more on things I only dream of.

Nobody hands you a gold medal at the end of your life if you're lucky enough to live to old age.

Find your inner peace and live your life. FWIW, most of the wealthy couples who were/ are "boasty" broke up.

Mayflower2017 · 14/05/2018 00:10

If you ever get a chance, watch the film Brad's Status - it's a bit similar to your feelings about more successful friends.
Ben Stiller is great in it

Teacher22 · 14/05/2018 06:57

Firstly, your ‘friends’ were incredibly tactless and hurtful to boast in front of you and your DH. The evening your described sounds very painful and, I have to say, familiar from experiences we had when my children were younger.

My DH and I found ourselves in a most peculiar position. We are from moderate beginnings, he from the lower middle class, comfortable and asprational, my parents were both working class but wanting to do their best in life until a disastrous divorce stymied their efforts.

Despite no degree he was clever and rose in journalism to a well paid job on a top national paper while I taught. We were comfortable but, by no means rich, and had two children. Because the fees were cheaper than childcare we kept the children at nearby prep schools until eleven plus time and nearly went broke doing it.

The children’s friends were incredibly rich. Some owned or inherited businesses and others worked for oil companies and banks. Their children were indulged with anything they wanted and lived a Rolls Royce lifestyle with foreign holidays and indulgences the norm.

We were the jam in the sandwich. Our former friends resented us for being ‘rich’ as if someone had given us our moderate amount of money though not one of them did the hours we did. Our new friends rubbed our noses in it for being poor and ‘mean’ because we couldn’t afford to do what they did.

We saw a lot of the poor side of human nature and became somewhat isolated. We worried about the children mostly as they would have to adjust to working when their richer friends, in their late twenties, are still ‘playing’ and ‘travelling on their parents’ largesse. They have been fine and grammar school was a complete social mix which opened their eyes to some really poor home situations.

We learned to do what we called the ‘life audit’ where we acknowledged comparative disadvantages but focussed on the good things. We compared ourselves with those in poor countries who have nothing and those in the UK with less and counted our blessings. We reinforced our beliefs that happiness comes from inside, not money, and it is also engendered through family and affection. (I am afraid we were dropped by many friends for being too rich or too poor). We read, walk, engage in seeing nature, culture and art and keep ourselves busy.

It has been useful to count our blessings as my DH was made redundant last year and has been unable to find another so we are actually quite skint now. Luckily we never indulged in the five star life so we are used to living ‘low’.

I did a Yougov poll yesterday which asked me how happy, out of ten, I was and what life satisfaction out of ten I felt I had. No one answers ten. I answered nine.

It might be that you should see less of these friends if they continue to be insensitive but, in any case, I would definitely recommend the life audit and thinking of three reasons to be grateful and happy every day.

Grateful people, I observe, are happy, and resentful folks unhappy, no matter how much or how little money any of them has.

morningconstitutional2017 · 14/05/2018 07:28

It always makes you feel bad if you compare yourself to others who are richer. Money (or lack of it) creates a barrier that there's just no getting over. You've been friends for a long time - they've been able to progress materially in a way that you can't and it's bound to make you feel that you're missing out. Miserable resentment for you and a lack of understanding from them could eventually drive a wedge between you and end the friendship which is a shame. There's no easy answer to this, I'm afraid. Maybe find new friends who are more equal, easier said than done.

PinkCloudDweller · 14/05/2018 07:44

OP., I sympathise with what you're saying. But the way it sounds to me is that your friends simply feel comfortable talking about these things to you. They'll assume you feel happy and excited for them, because you love them. They are clearly unaware that you feel a little inadequate about your economic position. And I think that's a good thing! You share the highs as well as the lows in life with the people you love

TheDomestic · 14/05/2018 10:36

It sounds like the two other couples are trying to keep up with each other. Well done to both the men for promotions, but to then go on to discuss how they are going to spend their fortune when they know money is tight for you is a bit shitty. Be aware not everything is how it’s sometimes portrayed.

ralfeesmum · 14/05/2018 11:14

You need some different "Best Friends". The current ones seem to value people according to what they have not what they are.

Apparently, they are propping up their materialistic egos at the expense of your self-esteem. Why else would they flaunt their worldly good fortune in front of you? Hoping to make you feel envious (and therefore inadequate) makes them feel worthy and great!

Although they'd deny it even if you held them upside down by their ankles and tried to shake a confession out of them.

Not nice and certainly not necessary. You. Do. Not. Need. Them.

Ohfuckinghellwhatnow · 14/05/2018 12:32

Bless you OP, I see where you are coming from and why you feel like that,but what you need to do is look at all the good things you do have. Are you happy? If it wasn't for this happening, can you say you are happy?? Someone once said to me "When things in your life are shit, you just need to change them,one step at a time" So I left my awful ex, bought my own place and met someone else. We don't have much spare wonga but we get by well and we're very happy. That's what matters. I know plenty with stacks of cash, very unhappy with rest of life. Hope you feel better soon xx

Dozer · 14/05/2018 12:34

Goldilocks Low paid people can be “Mortgage free because they stayed humble and relaxed” ?!Confused