To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

@Elendon ah but London is ENGLAND so deserves to be heard according to some of the more loudmouth posters on here.

Except nobody said that. Nobody at all apart from the voices in your head.

@Heyduggeesflipflop and do you honestly think 17.4 million people would tell anyone who disagreed with them to get out of their own country? Your arrogance is staggering and actually quite funny.

You didn’t answer my question about where you propose all the people you deem unfit to live here should go? Do you not understand that free movement disappears with Brexit? Isn’t that what the biggest drive for Brexit was? “Ooh look we can get rid of all the nasty foreigners” without realising that actually if immigration is cut massively the whole fucking country will be in more of a mess than it is now

Your views are incredible. In the truest sense of the word.

I am well aware that there are people who will have voted leave because they reviewed all the facts (such as they were) and made a decision based on what they felt was best. Sadly I fear the majority hold views like yours. And the fact that hateful views like yours seem to be the majority is an unbelievably sad indictment of the society we live in.

The uk cannot be a Union when it suits you and ‘individual nations’ when it doesn’t .

The national referendum vote was legitimate and should be respected as such

@MightyMucks you repeatedly mentioned England, as if it’s the only country involved. Do try to keep up.

Smeddum - 17.4 million people agree with my ridiculous views

No. There was a snapshot in time where they did. That was in 2016.

There may be more now, or there may be less. Its very unlikely to be exactly the same.

go live in Brussels if you feel so strongly
How?? Your posts make no sense at all.

I do love the irony that the IRA who fought for self government are now in favour of blocking the English from doing exactly that.

The IRA can be blamed rightly for a lot but the incompetence of the UK government trying to extract the UK from the EU isn't one of them.

Had the EU shown any signs of democratic accountability to its entire population rather than remaining a arrogant Brussels-Paris-Berlin cadre of ENA-educated bureaucrats committed to the "we know what's good for you" school of management, and which has never yet managed to get its accounting sleight of hand properly approved and signed off, I don't think Brexit would have happened. But few governments have successfully challenged the EU integrationist agenda, and those countries that have held referenda have largely not found their electorates as willing to acquiesce on important issues like self-determination as their politicians, for whom Brussels is a promotion or a profitable gravy train sinecure.

(and that agreement is only on one solitary issue. Your other opinions were not voted on)

What negative sides of being in the EU are people angry about? Genuine question because I’m confused as to the level of vitriol against the EU without any hard facts as to why leaving is a good idea?

The biggest drive for Brexit was the ability of this country to pursue political self determination

Just under a majority of Scotland voted to leave.

Only 38% in Scotland voted leave. A clearer result than there was in the independence referendum.

The leave vote hasn’t been madness so far - the sky hasn’t fallen despite what the establishment claimed should have happened by now...

Maybe because it hasn’t actually happened yet? I’d wait another 5 years and see then.

the other main drive was to be able to control the numbers of EU migrants coming to UK - that was a big deal for a lot of people

of course 5yrs down the road there may well be other countries outside the EU, Ireland may even vote to leave I think

The biggest drive for Brexit was the ability of this country to pursue political self determination

That’s not an answer, it’s a sound bite. And actually Brexit has led to Westminster attempting to regain powers from all 3 devolved parliaments in the wake of the eventual deal, so political self determination is highly ironic.

Baked beans - according to project fear the country should already have imploded economically.

But economic apocalypse always is said to be just around the corner... and then the next corner after that...

the other main drive was to be able to control the numbers of EU migrants coming to UK - that was a big deal for a lot of people

That’s what I feared. It’s quite ironic that there isn’t going to be that hard border to stop it in that case isn’t it?

Smeddum

If you can’t fire the people who govern you then you do not have democracy

We are finding it very difficult indeed to fire the eu

But you’re yet to explain how the EU governing the UK is a bad thing? I know you don’t want them to, but that’s a separate issue.

What was so bad about being in the EU? Were there laws that affected day to day life? Rules that meant we were worse off financially? Nobody who voted leave seems to be able to say why apart from propaganda style soundbites that don’t really say much.

a hard border to stop migrants to UK isn't needed, just a slight tightening of visa rules will reduce the numbers slightly and that is surely the aim of the Brexit crowd

Heyduggees - so you're actually happy that the economy has slowed and wage growth is down due to Brexit?

Smeddum

This is exactly why you don’t understand the leave vote

Not wanting the eu to govern us isn’t a separate issue - it is THE issue

We are an independent nation state

Smeddum : the EU governing the UK border was the bad thing you are alluding to

Juggling

Not bothered - Brexit is worth a cost - nothing worth having was ever easy