To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

I don’t understand the frothing and hand wringing about immigration tbh. Surely as a civilised society we’re made up of a whole range of cultures/nationalities?

Beyond xenophobia/racism I can’t see what the problem is?

Felicity - it was the UK government that decided to let in migrants from the newly-joined EU countries, not the EU so why blame them?

jugglin:

yes, people voted for a slowing down of the economy - in order to be free from EU shackles, hardly rocket science

Not wanting the eu to govern us isn’t a separate issue - it is THE issue

Right, I’ll try again with little words this time.

Why? Why is it the issue? You haven’t explained that yet!b

jugglin: because EU rules then prevented us from having our own border control policies, hence people eventually voted against the EU

We are finding it very difficult indeed to fire the eu

Probably because Brexit is madness and the government realise this, just don't have the courage to tell the electorate.

Smeddum

Two problems with it - one, cost (and you wonder why the nhs can’t cope) Two, immigration tends to create areas unfairly affected. Those areas are usually poor. Boston in Lincolnshire is a good example

the EU governing the UK border was the bad thing you are alluding to

But I don’t understand why it’s bad? And if people voted Brexit to ensure there would be a hard border they didn’t look very far into it did they?

jugglin: because EU rules then prevented us from having our own border control policies, hence people eventually voted against the EU

and yet the Brexiteers now say they don't want a border with RoI. Hilarious!

Not bothered How nice for you that you are so well-off that it doesn't affect you directly- maybe you could spare a thought for those who can't afford a generation of hardship and were lied to?

Boston in Lincolnshire is an anomaly.

smed: it's bad because too many immigrants came in too short a time, leading to lowering of wages, working conditions, use of service, housing crisis increase, school places decrease etc. and erosion of British identity

Not more of this rubbish. We voted Leave, we want to Leave, we WILL Leave

But we didn't vote leave, many of us, and we don't want to leave, and we are really fucked off about leaving.

If you add all the remain voters to those who would have voted remain but didn't have a vote, the majority of the country does not want leave.
Its been forced on us by ukip and the leave wankers voters. Whole countries voted remain, ffs, and got royally shafted!

Two problems with it - one, cost (and you wonder why the nhs can’t cope) Two, immigration tends to create areas unfairly affected. Those areas are usually poor. Boston in Lincolnshire is a good example

The NHS can’t cope because of funding cuts, outsourcing to private companies at exorbitant cost and lack of medics in control. It’s lazy to blame immigrants.

Immigrants in predominantly poor areas isn’t a surprise, presumably they’re working and paying their way like everyone else? Why is them being there a problem?

I’ve come to the conclusion, in light of your inability to explain anything beyond “but immigrants” that you don’t have any valid reasons beyond your own bigotry.

yes, people voted for a slowing down of the economy - in order to be free from EU shackles, hardly rocket science
Actually the Leave campaign said it would be good for the economy so you are just trying to put a spin on the story to make it seem as if you knew this all along.

Two problems with it - one, cost (and you wonder why the nhs can’t cope)

The NHS can't cope because the Tories are ideologically running it into the ground. Migrants pay taxes. Their taxes, like yours pay for the NHS.

Two, immigration tends to create areas unfairly affected. Those areas are usually poor. Boston in Lincolnshire is a good example

and yet certain sectors are now worried about finding labour post Brexit. Migration is higher from non EU countries. Brexit will make the poor poorer - impact assessments show this.

Ghost: actually having some sort of border with Ireland is no bad thing, for ex. there could be cameras , basic ID checks etc.. no big deal really

Smeddum

You really don’t get it do you

Some easy language for you too - this country is governed from London. I don’t want to be governed from Brussels (As is increasingly the case). Would Americans want to be governed from Brussels? Would australians want to be governed from Brussels?

The answer is no because they are not a distinct part of those nation states

Also EU migrants contribute FAR more to the economy and the NHS than they take out so please don't dress this up as "helping the Nhs" as it is literally the opposite.

Iron: if you didn't vote then that's your bad - if too young, than that's too bad , it's the way the system works

it's bad because too many immigrants came in too short a time, leading to lowering of wages, working conditions, use of service, housing crisis increase, school places decrease etc. and erosion of British identity

There’s a NMW so I fail to see how wages have been lowered, working conditions (the ones that protect working conditions and hours and so on) are dictated by EU law so voting leave for that makes no sense at all. The housing crisis is down to lack of affordable housing, not immigration. School places and problems with schools again, lack of funding from the UK government.

Ghost of

No - certain sectors are worried that their source of cheap foreign labour will dry up

I hate everything Jeremy corbyn stands for but I agree with him on this - the eu is the worst possible manifestation of big business

Ghost: actually having some sort of border with Ireland is no bad thing, for ex. there could be cameras , basic ID checks etc.. no big deal really

Apart from destroying the international agreement known as the GFA. The British have done no work regarding a tech border which has pretty much been ruled out by everyone except deluded Brexiteers.

actually having some sort of border with Ireland is no bad thing, for ex. there could be cameras , basic ID checks etc.. no big deal really

I'm old enough to remember the Troubles, and I have a rudimentary grasp of the history of Ireland and the UK, and I'm pretty sure cameras and ID checks ('basic' or otherwise) would be quite a big deal actually.

smed: too many immigrants in one area lowers wages, working rights, and availability of natives to get work in the first place, hence bad