To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

You are the only one that won’t acknowledge the paradox of Brexit and the GFA.

Yeah, if only those fucking Syrians

You're silly if you thought they were all Syrians. Quite why all those men had to leave their wives and children behind in a war torn country is a matter for another thread.

The UK already had all sorts of exceptions. At some point, enough is enough. Stay or go, but make up your mind.

I didn't see the UK engaging in debate over what to do about migration and refugees. Just walking out.

Quite why all those men had to leave their wives and children behind in a war torn country is a matter for another thread.

They left them in refugee camps for the most part.

And did you see all those children dying along the way? That is why.

When all else fails play the foreign boogeyman card.

Lweji So AM says she hopes the U.K. will stay, then adds you will get a raw deal if it leaves, That makes me feel wanted

FFS, did you want flowers? Dinner by candlelight? Grow up.

You are the only one that won’t acknowledge the paradox of Brexit and the GFA

I believe I did yesterday, remember the bit where I said everyone, including the EU, should sit around a table and come up with a solution?

Only to be called names for suggesting such a preposterous idea.

didn't see the UK engaging in debate over what to do about migration and refugees. Just walking out

And then expecting the EU to come up with a solution, accede to every demand and wish us on our merry way without paying our debts and giving us all the benefits without any of the contributions.

It’s like it’s an alternative universe where some people just will not understand basic common sense.

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that the GFA is a list of rules, like the ten commandments or something, A4710Rider. What it actually is, is a peace treaty. There are 3 strands within that, addressing rights and relationships internally within NI, and East/West, North/South. The EU was entwined within each of these, so leaving the EU undermines each strand in various ways. It will take time, effort and compromise to cause as least harm as possible to the GFA when Brexit happens. It needs to be handled with kid gloves, rather than having grenades lobbed at it. Border infrastructure would be the biggest of grenades leading every party within NI and RoI (yes, even the DUP) to refuse to entertain the idea of border infrastructure.

Lweji 2012 we can work together and by the way how about a 11% increase in budget just at the time of austerity

They left them in refugee camps for the most part

Can you back up that statement with any fact? Like a link or something?

The truth is that Germany opened up the doors of Europe to any Tom, Dick and Harriet, only a small percentage of people were actually from "fucking" Syria.

If she had not of done that, there would be no Brexit thread now.

And did you see all those children dying along the way? That is why

Aylan Kurdi is the one that sticks in my mind. Seeing his tiny wee body being carried up the beach was horrific. And he was nowhere near the only one, he’s just the one the media got hold of.

He died, freezing cold and terrified. Because putting him in that dinghy was the best option his parents had.

Smeddum It wasn’t Britain that opened the floodgates in the first place, it was AM without an agreement

I believe I did yesterday, remember the bit where I said everyone, including the EU, should sit around a table and come up with a solution?
They did, it's the backstop option. HTH.

If she had not of done that, there would be no Brexit thread now.

Excuses.

Merkel had to deal with a huge influx of migrants. Germany took most of the brunt. The UK kept their borders throughout the crisis.

Only scaremongering led to Brexit.
And blatant lies.

Rider, the British haven’t come up with a solution for NI. They’ve had 2 years.

I must correct myself: not migrants, refugees.

The UK didn't even have a Brexit plan. Just get out.

@user1486062886 so it’s about refugees rather than EU immigrants? Not wanting people coming from nations that the UK government have displaced us hypocrisy at its absolute best.

Putting checks in place, ensuring that the most vulnerable are protected first, and helping them to resettle in the UK/EU would have been a far more sensible response than burning our bridges no?

Do you have links for your assertions

Yes, ask me specifically which of them you want me to prove.

A4710Rider Wed 09-May-18 12:33:17
It's not there though is it, could you point me to the bit where the GFA rules out having a Hard Border.

A4710 - The GFA was agreed within the context of joint membership of the EU. Its entire foundation was based on this premise. Many of its commitments 'assumed' the continuation of this status. It buckles once that status changes on either side.

In my honest opinion if we have a hard Brexit (or leave without a deal which amounts to the same thing) then a border poll will happen in NI within 5 years (as provided for within the GFA) and middle of the road Unionists will join Nationalists in voting for a new Ireland. The UK only appeals to many nationalists (and arguably many unionists) in NI because it is economically the better option. That will no longer be the case.

The UK as you know it will be no more.

I believe I did yesterday, remember the bit where I said everyone, including the EU, should sit around a table and come up with a solution?
The British government and the EU/ROI government all have been around a table discussing it. And discussing it more. And more. And more. For a year.
No solution has been found.

It took over a decade of thought, negotiation and compromise to come up with the current peace agreement. It is not perfect, but it is working. No surprise really that a tenth of that is not long enough to find a solution that will alter it so we can Brexit it without undermining the rights enshrined through it. Especially as the British government have not included the people of NI, through their elected representatives, to be involved in the negotiations.