To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

I think it’s leavers who struggle with facts any of you want to address happyhugs excellent post?

But hardly any of these people are getting here so what's the issue, as Frank says its all scaremongering

Net migration to the UK in 2017 was 250,000

Net migration fell last year. Brexit is having the desired effect nobody wants to come to a xenophobic and economically declining country

Happy, superb post. I'm a Brit (albeit with some Irish roots) and have always lived in the UK. But the Ireland issue is one of the most disturbing/saddest/most worrying aspects of Brexit IMO.

All that work and time. All those deaths and all that fear. Mo Mowlam must be turning in her grave at the sheer potential waste.

Net migration fell last year

Wrong. Net migration from within the EU fell. Overall, migration was plus 244,000

No, the UK government caused this. The UK electorate majority caused it. It’s up to them to fix it.

This.

The UK government always had one foot on the door, instead of properly investing time and effort in the EU. They're just to blame for any lack of transparency or opening doors as any other country.

Don't blame the EU, or ask them for good will.

I voted to stay European, so I have left the UK.
I second Lweji's comment. Rather than really rolling their sleeves up and getting stuck into the EU project it seems that too many attended the meetings with their coats on.

How is non Eu migration relevant to a brexit thread? Get your government to restrict non Eu migration if it bothers you that much.

How is non Eu migration relevant to a brexit thread

It was relevant to the question asked previously. Sorry you were proven wrong about migration to the UK falling.

But unfortunately the governments over the years have not listened to people’s genuine concerns, I don’t know why properly for fear of being labelled racist etc a bit like on these posts

How is non Eu migration relevant to a brexit thread? Get your government to restrict non Eu migration if it bothers you that much.

Why? It’s quite easy to argue that non-EU migration is a more positive form of immigration because it targets the skills needed and the jobs which need to be filled. Plus we did sort of fuck up quite a few Commonwealth countries during the Commonwealth so IMO Commonwealth citizens (and the countries they send their money back to) really have many more historical links with us. And I’m not talking Canada and Australia so much as India and Nigeria.

IIRC may has already attempted a trade deal with India but they wanted visa restrictions relaxed. No deal.

The drop in Eu migration has already led to a labour shortage in farming.

Just out of interest, what levels of population in the U.K. are people happy with ? We are adding 250,000 a year plus, + existing child births out way deaths, where are we heading 70/80/90 million and how will the infrastructure, house, healthcare etc, keep up we don’t build enough house now

The drop in Eu migration has already led to a labour shortage in farming.

And partially because Poland etc are picking up economically

The more people we have, the more people we need, it’s like a dog chasing it’s tail

Ask your own government why infrastructure is shit. Ask them why there is a housing crisis. Ask them why there are a shortage of skilled Brits and British labour. Stop blaming the foreigner for Britain’s domestic problems.

Well that is kind of what a section of the population has done, they are pissed off that Companies can import cheaper workers and not help upskill, house its own current population.

The UK embraced globalisation in the 80s. It embraces foreign companies now. It watches on as foreign companies gobble up British firms. We all enjoy our foreign food and gadgets. That ship has sailed and ain’t coming back.

How was the purely advisory referendum democratic when over 1.5 million British citizens living in Europe (including me) were denied the right to vote?

I am not blaming foreigners, I am blaming the government, why let so many people in when there is a housing crisis, you could argue that it has been caused by letting to many people in. This has been all governments but started manly by Labour, I can’t remember there being a housing crisis in the early 2000’s, we are a island after all, where people moan and appeal any building on green field sites, but then that does take away farm fields for cattle and crops, we have to feed are selves some how.

The government can control immigration more tightly if it chose. It didn’t need to brexit.

If you have a headache take paracetamol don’t blow your brains out.

Fluctual - how long have you lived abroad for? If it’s over 15 years, which I am assuming it is, then I think that’s a fair rule tbh.

We go around in circles, Brexit vote was caused because government wasn’t listening and that was the next step, what else can you do when no government was listening, hence the rise in UKIP, there would have been no Brexit leave vote if past and future governments had acted on the majority of people’s concerns.

The problem is brexit won’t address concerns it will simply create more problems!