To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

A4710, thought you'd gone toodle pip ages ago.

If flying to Europe enjoy.. it might get a bit messy soon with visitor visas required like Turkey, but that's no problem at all, it's worth it.

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@Meetoodear

Countries like Hungary had the cojones to say NO to Merkel re the immigration. And they are ok.

UK didn't do a damn thing, but still complaining about their own inactivity. Couldn't make it up really.

Mrs Merkel was right to show compassion to migrants although probably failed to get sufficient support from other European countries before doing so, and misjudged the numbers that might arrive.
On the heels of German reunification it was always going to be a tough decision economically and socially.
So, in the light of having left the EU, where is the UK going to get it's major funding. China, Russia or the USA? Will all these deals be 'no strings attached'?

I don't think the UK has taken in many refugees , and can we remember there is a huge difference between being a refugee and an illegal immigrant. The UK has always had border agency staff and passport control at ports and airports, so unless someone has snuck in illegally then we know they are here. The Government decides the conditions of a persons stay even under FOM , they ( successive governments) have chosen to be rather lax about it in the past , which is not the fault of the EU .

The majority of them are dim-witted ISIS extremists

And if they didn’t feel marginalised and unwanted here do you think they’d have been so easily radicalised? Don’t be so fucking ridiculous.

Racism and xenophobia aren’t good things. They cause all of this, the terrorism, the divisions, the political instability.

It’s funny how whenever the Tories are in power for any length of time racism/xenophobia become the norm.

On a brighter note we have got a lovely Royal wedding to look forward to

Smeddum I am black 37 had labour and Tory’s in power rascim has been the norm since I have been born there is not a time when either party has been in power and I haven been called a n word I remember having BNP leflets put through my door when labour was in power in fact I do believe it was then they were the biggest threat ever and I got called a wog to months ago

I still struggle to get interviews if I put my real name down weathe labour or the fudgeing tories are in power

My son is just as like to be stopped weather Toney Blair was PM or David Cameron

Smeddum I am black 37 had labour and Tory’s in power rascim has been the norm since I have been born there is not a time when either party has been in power and I haven been called a n word I remember having BNP leflets put through my door when labour was in power in fact I do believe it was then they were the biggest threat ever and I got called a wog to months ago

None of that is right. I’m sorry that you have to live with shit like that, it’s not right at all.

While I completely accept your comment as fact, since you know better than I do from personal experience, I’d like to explain why I said what I said.

I was thinking of the BNP marches in the 80s, the atmosphere in the run up to and after the murder of Stephen Lawrence and the rise of the far right which seemed to be most prominent when the Tories were in power last time.

Not that I’m disagreeing with what you said, as I said before, you’ve lived it, so I’ll take what you’re saying over my own impressions.

Racism is awful.

Metoo what does that have to do with our membership of the EU ?

@frumpety I think she was responding to my comment about the rise of racism when the Tories are in power, so the derail is my fault.

Metodear 😥 that makes me sad.

The UK has always had the border agency staff and passport control at ports and airports, so unless someone has snuck in illegally then we know they are here

Let be first say before I go any further I am sympathetic to genuine refugees. However, a refugee/s stowing away in the backs of lorries etc surely then become illegal immigrants for which we have no way of tracing. This is going on continually, I am sure we only get to hear about the small proportion that have been caught. The line between refugee and illegal immigrant becomes blurred.

I and I'm sure many others, think the EU is totally unsustainable in its present form. I voted to leave as I truly believe that in 20 or 50 years we will be in a better situation, than those who remain within the EU. People are obviously concerned about the here and now, but we need to look long term as well.

Sorry Metoo hadn't seen Smedduns post that you were responding to. I don't think racism has necessarily decreased over the years, I think there may have been a hushing up of it though across larger organisations, but even they cant control how individuals think or feel.

If you look anywhere within 5 miles of the French ports you will see groups of potential illegal immigrants 'milling around' trying to get into lorries or other vehicles. All vehicles are searched and the Gendarmes are summoned to 'explain the error in their plans'. The UK is obviously very attractive.
So, a Royal wedding. Which countries do their families originate from?

frumpety Amen it’s not changed how people feel it’s just changed them voicing their views

And to be honest the middle classes often feel it’s woeking class racists that are a massive issue poor racists have no effect of my life

If the middle class ones who need to be watched the ones who appear liberal but would not want my son dating their daughter because these are lawyers judges uni heads and people in power who can effect mine and my sons life

These days I think (maybe incorrectly) that a big union against the likes of Putin is a good thing.

Turkey has been angling to get in to the EU for decades, but their human rights etc. record has precluded this, along with I suppose a fear of Muslim Erdogan and his presidential "benign" dictatorship. I doubt he is living on bread and water though. Have you seen his home/palace? Reminds me of Ceaucescu in some respects. Anyway at least the EU has kept them out of membership so far. That is a good thing.

But Turkey is a member of the CU. Despite the Erdogan factor, it has transformed Turkey into a great economic country.

But Britain cannot countenance being in the CU re Brexit, why? It is an economic decision, and it is very remiss of Britain not to think it might be a good thing either. I often wonder about that.

The UK has always had the border agency staff and passport control at ports and airports, so unless someone has snuck in illegally then we know they are here

Not really.
True immigration control is done by employers in the UK. Anyone can say they came here on holiday & then disappear. It happens. Jean Charles de Menezes? Overstayed legal visas are the number 1 source of illegal immigration in the USA.

Really allalready really?!?!?!

The immigrants into Germany have mainly been economic migrants - young males. They were promised work but many are struggling with the language and culture.

Many German towns have been transformed into places no longer safe for German women.

Merckel is hated by many. Many of these migrants want to return home.

It’s been a bloody disaster and few immigrants in need - women and children - actually benefitted.

I have German family by the way. They used to live in cologne and left as the crime in their suburb rocketed as there are literally hundreds of bored young men hanging around.

Jean Charles de Menezes really isn’t the best example of Britain being hospitable to immigrants is he?

What's stopping the unhappy immigrants in Germany from 'going home'? Maybe they don't know where home is, any more. I work with a Cologne gal who says the whole 'dangerous immigrants' thing has been wildly exaggerated by media in Germany. Security is part of her expertise, she ought to know.

I mentioned de Menezes coz I was thinking about 'control' of the borders. People think "control" happens at the ports. It doesn't. Control happens only if an UK employer can be bothered.

German crime rate has actually dropped and is the lowest since 1992, I was reading about it today, here is the english version

www.bka.de/EN/CurrentInformation/PoliceCrimeStatistics/2017/pcs2017.html?nn=39580

The spirit of being welcoming to migrants is one thing, managing them properly after they have arrived is another. If they are not prepared to integrate then they should be 'ejected'.
While nothing to do with this thread as such, none of the world leaders has really come up with a plan to mitigate against there not being sufficient 'productive' work for the population. Anywhere with a large population of unemployed 16-30 year olds is liable to have problems.

Yep Merkel allowing 10's of 1000's of 'refugees' into Europe did her NO favours, and made many people vote for BREXIT, (who were on the fence before,) as they didn't want to risk the same thing happening here.

ROLL ON BREXIT! I can't wait.