To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

@Felicity556 how does voting for a government whose failures you’re angry with to have total control make any sense? Genuine question.

My Polish friend has a number of qualifications but cleans houses. The cleaners at my work are all Polish. They clean the shitters for the minimum wage whilst we walk past them drinking coffee lauding the wonderful EU.

In what world do you think cleaning will ever command more than minimum wage? Have you asked the cleaners what they think of the EU, given that they used free movement to get jobs in the UK?

Smeddum

Your arrogance is staggering - are you really telling that over 17 million people are stupid bigots.

The fact you cannot see the other side of the argument is bizarre

Where do you get your ‘facts’ Felicity?

I’m so surprised at the ignorance being belched out so proudly - it’s very worrying
Do people genuinely not realise that it was successive UK governments , not the EU who chose allow unlimited immigration??

there is a lack of workforce in their own workforce now.

If you mean in Poland itself, that isn't true. Polish people are returning to the country in great numbers as the economy picks up.

Free movement as a concept worked when the EEC was first established.
It continues to work; different countries play a different part in it as time goes on, that's all. British workers went abroad for work in the 80s, then our 'poor man' economy improved and we became a country that other EU members could come to to work until THEIR economy improved. And so it will go on.

It's a long game, being in the EU, and it's not accurate to say it used to work at some point and now it doesn't.

My Polish friend for sure - she is frustrated but hopes her kids will have more opportunities. I’m not so sure as Poland is doing pretty well now.

She says that Poland would NEVER have allowed or accepted the same levels of immigration the other way.

Have I asked the cleaners at work if they enjoy cleaning the cludgies? Of course not. I’m one of the few that bothers to talk to them - weird given I voted Leave. Without exception, they are hardworking, friendly and talented. Doesn’t make ME confortabke when I see them in dead end jobs.

And that’s just it, isn’t it. It’s suited us so well to have access to such talent at such low wages. It’s one of the reasons why we spend so little on food per head in europe.

It isn’t right or fair to me though.

I’m sorry for you Remainers but the night we voted Leave I was incredulous and bloody delighted. Obviously I’m uneducated and thick

Doesn’t make ME confortabke when I see them in dead end jobs.

Who should do these "dead end" jobs then?

And that’s just it, isn’t it. It’s suited us so well to have access to such talent at such low wages. It’s one of the reasons why we spend so little on food per head in europe.

Plenty of people do jobs they are over qualified for. Food will get more expensive after Breexit, it'll be the poor that suffer.

smeddum:

because the Tories were the only ones that would/could deliver Brexit at last GE

lusisa:

sure, and when the people had their chance to vote on that they showed their displeasure

Sorry ghost. It didn’t go your way.

That’s a whole other debate. But Food is ridiculously cheap in this country actually.

We actually coped without this labour supply before, you realise? It was a form of local employment

Tom@

it's not just working immigrants it's also enforce quotas of illegals/refugees - remember the shambles of 2015 - that sunk the EU with all it's mandatory requriements, in fact Hungary and Poland are likely the next countries to reassert national power by leaving the EU sham

@Felicity - sorry your reply to my post didn’t make any sense?

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow thank you for explaining. For what it’s worth, although we disagree I understand why you feel the way you do. Probably because you articulate it without being hateful.

Most people didn't vote to leave though. Most people didnt bother to turn up!

We actually coped without this labour supply before, you realise? It was a form of local employment

If you'd followed all of this thread you'd see that I'd pointed out unemployment is low, certain sectors are reliant on foreign workers and are now really worried. They cannot get local workers because of low unemployment.

luisa: the people of UK voted to Leave EU, ie. showing the UK govt that they disagreed with their ridiculous open door mass immigration policies

So I’m hateful?

Whereas you have the arrogance to assume the greater half of the vote are wrong?

Tell you something smeddum - was the vote result the other way around and I was doing what you are now you would call me out as unwilling to accept a democratic decision

Your arrogance is staggering - are you really telling that over 17 million people are stupid bigots

No I said that people who express themselves in the manner that you and Felicity have are. Because you can’t come up with anything that isn’t ridiculous or hateful.

Called explained their point of view and although I don’t share it, I don’t think they’re a bigot. Because they explained actual reasons and not just bile.

I’m sorry Smeddum. I see your point of view and in your position would be as devastated. Twenty years ago I would have been amazed at my view now.

I genuinely think Polish people have added so much to the U.K. and are an asset.

But the EU? Don’t get me started on it.....

@Heyduggeesflipflop ODFOD literally every thread you appear on you are as goady and hateful as possible, I think you might need a hug.

I know lots of Polish people in good jobs. Some of my colleagues are Polish. And my dentist.

@User1486
I was referring to the 'experts' within the European Parliament.
Their plans are scrutinised then voted on by all 27 (26) countries who then have the ability to opt out or amend. If the ideas really are THAT stupid I suspect someone might notice.
Regarding immigration, are they actually from the EU? I forget the statistics now, which should be more forgivable than the Border Force (of the last how many years) not really knowing.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow I appreciate you responding, I welcome hearing people’s thought out reasons for voting Leave. Because even though I don’t feel the same, I can understand it if that makes sense?

how the F is calling for an end to mass immigration 'hateful'?

I lived in Ireland in the 80s. Anyone who did would appreciate the greatness of the EU. My children would never grasp what my childhood was like then.