To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

[Crikeyisunderused]

They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

Borrowed from @Delores
[I think history will see it as a massive mistake and the everyday population will be paying for that mistake for generations. ]
Someone in Brussels said almost exactly this. The speaker knew a LOT more than any of those posting on here.
The European Parliament is a democracy, If Mr Cameron failed to get 'what he wanted' then it was his failing to get a significant number of others to agree with his point of view. A bit like a democracy really.
Many other countries within the EU have 'itchy feet' and it is to be hoped that some aspects of the European Parliament will be modified. Had Mr Cameron put more effort into getting wider support for a change then things would look a lot rosier for many millions.

{history will see Brexit as a glorious reassertion of the UK State as an independent nation}, probably one that gets increasingly smaller.

So Hey voted the way they did because they 'felt' they were being governed from Brussels even though they categorically were not. Brilliant.

Mother :

we never get to vote on EU laws, they are made up by unelected croinies and hand in glove MEP liberals

May's offer of maxfac was rejected by Junkers as 'fantasy'

Allready:

mainly due to the fact that Cameron was a Remainer who didn't try hard enough

we never get to vote on EU laws, they are made up by unelected croinies and hand in glove MEP liberals

Theresa May was never elected as a PM with a majority, so that ridiculous argument could also be applied to Westminster.

The EU is not a democracy, the people in power their are not voted in by populations, merely a closed club of uber elite libs

history will see Brexit as a glorious reassertion of the UK State as an independent nation}, probably one that gets increasingly smaller.

allreadygone are you suggesting that the issues in Bourne will be solved by cliff erosion

Felicity What's being a liberal got to do with it ? Like something a bit more authoritarian do you 😂 And they are certainly never corrupt! You're just spouting sound bites

nonsense about the May argument, our system allows for minority govt as chosen by the people of this nation - the EU does not have votes for its leaders by the people

@Felicity - gulp 😐

BINGO !!!!! what did I win ? Felicity mentioned the elite libs , nice European touch mentioning uber

brand new:

not at all, but it just shows that the urban lib types have wallowed in thier own self interest for too long, too long to see how the people on the whole, have rejected their system

It is just all so devisive. And hate endgendering. Me You no I'm right, you are wrong, the EU are devils, we are strong and vicey versey.

NO we are not that strong anymore. But we may have delusions of grandeur still. Which does not apply to the vast majority of people either.

I hope it works out well. We shall see I suppose. And then there will be even more division.

What an appalling vista.

mother:

it because the MEP's do not represent the countries themselves, just interest groups - they do not vote for the UK as such in EU Parliament

Well I voted for my MEP. Perhaps I am a secret member of an uber elite and have never realised it.
Btw the MaxFac solution proposed seemed to rely on technology that hasn't even been invented yet but why let a little thing like reality get in the way?

I detested the EU and detest it now. So different to what was ever envisaged or wanted by most people in the U.K.

I think most people on MN still don’t really get it but it’s a liberal middle-class kinda place.

Well I voted for my MEP. Perhaps I am a secret member of an uber elite and have never realised it.

I must be too.

Remainer argument can be boiled down to this - anyone who disagrees with us is wrong/ uninformed/ bigoted/ stupid

With such persuasive arguments I wonder why you lost the referendum

Thank you @Motherof..for your post.
Before criticising the 'undemocratic' European Parliament you have to understand that the 'rules' are proposed by a group of 'experts' who have no say in which of their rules will actually be taken up. MEPs ELECTED by all member countries then debate and vote on the 'rules' that have been selected and then have a fair crack at NOT ratifying them if their respective governments object.
My reference to a diminishing state was not the literal falling into the sea, but that Scotland, NI and possibly Wales might be happier as Remainers.

Smeddum If you don’t know the many And varied reasons people are pushing back, I can only presume that you must live a wonderful live, perhaps this is the problem people don’t understand other people’s reasons as it doesn’t effect them.

Not this again! We're leaving..find a way to accept it.

I appreciate that scotland voted to remain in but that still leaves 45 per cent of voters who chose to leave! I think I worked that out as 2 million of us.

jugglin:
cameras etc.. that sort of thing, that was rejected by EU - the NI border could use the Norway/Sweden system but no, EU rejected it , as they want to force the UK to stay in EU