To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

[Crikeyisunderused]

They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

watcha@

we've already had a second referendum and people again voted to Leave (it was called the GE of last yr)

Felicity, many of the Windrush generation are of retirement age, so I'm not sure what you mean by 'cheap source of labour'.

In many parts of the country NMW is not a living wage. Whilst hopefully no one is breaking the law, BBC news stated today that we've basically had poor wage growth for the last 15 years. Seems like a race to the bottom to me :(

The Windrush generation were invited to the UK to help rebuild after WW2 because there wasn’t the workforce (men) to do it because of the war.

The fact that any of them, or their children, are even having to wonder if they have the right to stay in the UK is shameful. Absolutely shameful.

the cheap labour is from the EU - but the windrush even is being dredged up to make Leavers look bad and hence still allow for mass immigration of young, 'malleable' types

BBC news are in no way impartial.

Watchable - I genuinely think a similar result would occur if the referendum were replayed because those of us on this thread are more entrenched than ever. Meanwhile politically disengaged ‘average joe’ is likely to either see project fear as crying wolf or current negotiations and interminable and going nowhere

But a basic truth is that very few people actually love the eu. How can one love a burocracy?

smed seems to have proven my point, cheers

Windrush isn’t being “dredged up”, it’s been discovered as a great injustice and people rightly want it to be put right. With apologies and guarantees for those affected.

It’s got nothing to do with Brexit beyond the fact that the people who hate immigrants don’t care what happens to the Windrush generation.

Smeddum

No wind rush is the labour tactic of taking their anti Semitic troubles and smearing racist connotations onto the tories to share the love.

Labour weren’t interested in windrush months ago when the guardian first picked up the story

I can see Brexit leading to another Scottish Indy ref and also a referendum of the reunification of Ireland.

This only goes to show what madness it was to have a binding referendum based on a complete lack of facts. It is right that the majority voted to leave, but this still leaves a substantial minority who didn't and who are, rightly, trying to limit the damage to themselves. I understand people's individual reasons for wanting to leave. Some of them are my friends. Unfortunately they do not all have the same reasons they thought we should leave.

I can also understand why the EU is making it difficult. They don't want our departure to be the start of a full scale exodus.

So many different views about the details is why the process of leaving is proving to be so difficult.

Brandnewhouse

Measure if success?

Yes, hard Brexit and no ties. We completely reset

Luisa, I know. Have you got an image of what I look like? Long skirts with bells on, wafts of patchouli...

the windrush even is being dredged up to make Leavers look bad and hence still allow for mass immigration of young, 'malleable' types

I'm not following this argument, TBH.

Hey wants “a sovereign seat of power in London”

That’s called Parliament

Oh wait - they think Brexshit is a terrible idea too 😂

It probably is Labour using it as a deflection, much like the Tories with the labour anti semitism issue.

It doesn’t change the fact that both are very wrong and should be rectified and learned from.

I’m not a labour voter btw, so I don’t really get offended with jibes at them.

This only goes to show what madness it was to have a binding referendum based on a complete lack of facts

Absolutely. It’s ludicrous.

No wind rush is the labour tactic of taking their anti Semitic troubles and smearing racist connotations onto the tories to share the love.

You don't need to smear when its actual policy!

Labour weren’t interested in windrush months ago when the guardian first picked up the story

Corbyn voted against 2014 Immigration act that made Windrush possible

Luisa

Parliament is no longer sovereign (see trade and law)

@TomRavenscroft - yes, strangely mystical - and with a henna tattoo on your left hand

I am trying to keep up, but I feel like I’m going to have a nosebleed 😱

Ghost of - corbyn votes against most things. Makes you wonder what he stands for

But he shares my anti eu views so I suppose he has that going for him

We don't want to leave.
Really? Did I forget you asking my opinion?

@Hey 😂

Luisa - the use of emoticons makes it look
Like you have run out of argument

I am pleased to have educated you - no need to thank me