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To think you're not allowed to be a feminist on MN if you believe in trans rights?

700 replies

EyeRollChampion · 03/05/2018 10:54

Seems like every post in the feminism category atm is so vehemently anti-trans rights and that anyone who disagrees with this standpoint is ganged up on and ridiculed.

Or 'aren't I brave posting the same viewpoint as the overwhelming majority? I will not be silenced! (Now tell me how amazing and inspirational I am)'

I will probably be told I'm not a good feminist for believing we should respect the gender people identify with. Identity is of no importance to equal rights or mental health, of course. And they're a minority so who cares? Because changing room horror.

I'll get flamed for this because apparently this is not a view you're allowed to hold on mumsnet, TRA (aka anyone who isn't against trans rights) are the enemy of all women and trying to deny free speech.

Tell me I'm not alone?

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jellyfrizz · 05/05/2018 15:09

I can't find that stat in the link?

"In 2016, the UK Forced Marriage Unit’s helpline dealt with 1,428 cases of forced marriage; 15% involved children aged 16 and under and 11% involved 16-17 year olds."

15% of 1,428 is?

MapleSap1 · 05/05/2018 15:11

16 year olds are legally children, so if they get married, its a child marriage. Which bit confuses you so?

16 year olds can legally marry. Which bit of that confuses you?

To me, and I'd imagine most others desperately not trying to point score, child marriage would suggest those under the legal age to marry.

17 year olds are legally children. Are they indulging in a bit of "child driving" when they've passed their test? No. Because the law states they can.

Ereshkigal · 05/05/2018 15:12

can't decide whether your're goady or just incredibly stupid. I guess you could manage both at once.

YY.

MapleSap1 · 05/05/2018 15:18

In 2016, the UK Forced Marriage Unit’s helpline dealt with 1,428 cases of forced marriage; 15% involved children aged 16 and under and 11% involved 16-17 year olds."

So you've no idea how many are actually under 16 then?

Of course its the fucking state stopping them doing it locally like the other women of their country, numbnuts!

There's no DVLA test centre near me at all. I've had to travel to take my test (over an hour) There's nothing stopping me travelling, but according to IronMansIronButt this is clear evidence of state oppression.

merrymouse · 05/05/2018 15:19

Yes but its not the fucking state stopping them is it?

Again, who are you trying to represent here? I'm sure it isn't feminists of any kind. If it's transgender people you aren't helping their cause in any way.

MapleSap1 · 05/05/2018 15:23

Again, who are you trying to represent here? I'm sure it isn't feminists of any kind

Why the fuck would I be representing feminists?

If it's transgender people you aren't helping their cause in any way.

No one would be able to defend the Trans cause on here. The feminists' bigotry is too deep rooted.

jellyfrizz · 05/05/2018 15:26

In 2016, the UK Forced Marriage Unit’s helpline dealt with 1,428 cases of forced marriage; 15% involved children aged 16 and under and 11% involved 16-17 year olds."

So you've no idea how many are actually under 16 then?

Err yes. It's 15% of 1,428 which is 214 - like I said earlier.

I'm off, to avoid completely derailing the point of this thread by having to explain basic maths.

Ereshkigal · 05/05/2018 15:27

Why the fuck would I be representing feminists?

Because that's what the thread is about? So why would we be interested in you sticking your oar in?

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:28

Yet again the sight of women furious with other women for the crime of not putting men's requirements first.

Yikes. I feel like I'm in an Edith Wharton novel.

OnTheList · 05/05/2018 15:29

Yeah as others have said, its not being anti-trans rights, its being pro-womens rights.

And personally, I don't really think its possible to be a feminist if you do not care about womens rights, or actively support removing them.

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:32

And fnar regarding women aren't oppressed any more .

That's nearly word for word what a TRA protester said to me at the Oxford Women's Place meeting. He couldn't understand why it made me chuckle.

leggere · 05/05/2018 15:36

Idon'tdowindows, thankyou for trying to guess my thoughts behind the reason I said disabled. Couldn't possibly be any other reason, could it? The arrogance is staggering, as it is on the fem threads. I won't be signing the petition because I feel I've been led down the garden path by the so called feminists, who'll stop at absolutely nothing to have a go at men.

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:38

Those feminists, always pointing out what men are doing wrong. Unreasonable bitches eh?

ReliefOfChaos · 05/05/2018 15:39

While I understand there are still many issues that women face in the UK, and I realise I'm one of the unsympathetic penis owners, but does gender legislation really have to be "comically quaint", do women really have to face no issues whatsoever before they will consider looking outwards at other groups who are still struggling?

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:39

They'll never get husbands that way

merrymouse · 05/05/2018 15:40

Why the fuck would I be representing feminists?

Because this is a thread about some feminists not feeling welcome on the feminist boards. Your contribution to this discussion seems to be that feminism is a load of rubbish anyway.

No one would be able to defend the Trans cause on here. The feminists' bigotry is too deep rooted.

No feminist anywhere, on or off Mumsnet, pro or anti Self ID, thinks women have all the rights they need because women can just jet ski from NI if they need an abortion.

What is the relevance of your argument?

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:41

Ok ReliefofChaos, to borrow an analogy:

Would you condemn the donkey sanctuary for not taking care of rhinos?

Why do feminists have to actively look out for other groups?

Idontdowindows · 05/05/2018 15:41

I won't be signing the petition because I feel I've been led down the garden path by the so called feminists, who'll stop at absolutely nothing to have a go at men.

Nose and face come to mind.

ReluctantCamper · 05/05/2018 15:42

'So called feminists '

When you sound like Maria Miller. Not a good sign

merrymouse · 05/05/2018 15:43

do women really have to face no issues whatsoever before they will consider looking outwards at other groups who are still struggling?

Happy to support any group facing discrimination. I just don't feel the need to lump everybody facing discrimination into the the same group.

OnTheList · 05/05/2018 15:44

What's wrong with using cubicles in places like changing rooms and toilets? It's a willy, not a freaking assault rifle

I ask this a lot on threads like this, but I am taking it you disagree with sex segregation altogether in this case? I disagree with that view as I do think its necessary (in some situations) but it makes sense and is consistent anyway. The view that sex segregation IS needed, but women should be fine with seeing (adult) 'willy' when getting changed in the female area..makes not much sense at all.

Idontdowindows · 05/05/2018 15:47

do women really have to face no issues whatsoever before they will consider looking outwards at other groups who are still struggling?

Many women support many struggling groups. We just don't shove all these other struggling groups under the umbrella "feminism". Feminism is by, for and about women. That's what the FEM stands for.

ReliefOfChaos · 05/05/2018 15:50

"
Why do feminists have to actively look out for other groups?"

Because no woman is an island, alone of herself.
Each woman is of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed off Europe, then Europe is the less.
So each woman's death diminishes me, for I am a part of womankind.
Send not to find for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

Aridane · 05/05/2018 15:54

jellyfrizz - sorry, but your maths is fucked

merrymouse · 05/05/2018 15:58

Relief I'm really confused.

Should the the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents be focusing more efforts on raising money for Cancer Research, or is it just women who should be looking out for everybody else?