To think you're not allowed to be a feminist on MN if you believe in trans rights?

[EyeRollChampion]

Seems like every post in the feminism category atm is so vehemently anti-trans rights and that anyone who disagrees with this standpoint is ganged up on and ridiculed.

Or 'aren't I brave posting the same viewpoint as the overwhelming majority? I will not be silenced! (Now tell me how amazing and inspirational I am)'

I will probably be told I'm not a good feminist for believing we should respect the gender people identify with. Identity is of no importance to equal rights or mental health, of course. And they're a minority so who cares? Because changing room horror.

I'll get flamed for this because apparently this is not a view you're allowed to hold on mumsnet, TRA (aka anyone who isn't against trans rights) are the enemy of all women and trying to deny free speech.

Tell me I'm not alone?

How is others fighting for their rights

Oh I get it, transactivists with all their hyperbole are allowed to fight for these elusive "rights" that they don't already have and no one seems able to define, but when women fight for theirs as a disadvantaged sex class they are to be ridiculed and dismissed? Why not pop off and join Fathers 4 Justice, I hear they're missing a Batman?

maple, this thread is about feminists who support Self ID feeling unwelcome on the feminist boards.

You seem to be arguing that nobody should be a feminist anyway.

It’s really not clear who you are supporting - nobody?

Whether or not you support Self ID, posting about women’s lack of oppression on the feminism boards is.... interesting

Good job this was posted on AIBU then eh?
if in doubt, check if there's lots of self congratulation on being the smartest, cleverest and most articulate women in the world ever, if there's not, and not everyone's agreeing with you, you're probably not posting on FWR

Fair point on the board. Touché

And this is a perfect example of what OP is talking about!

LOL.

Good job this was posted on AIBU then eh?

Yes. It is however a thread specifically about the feminist boards. It’s very close to being a TAAT, just moved to a different board.

I think it would be relevant and interesting to have more input from feminists who support Self ID. I would really like to understand their point of view. I think a few posters do genuinely try to do this. However, I don’t understand how you are helping their cause.

Idon'tdowindows, the disabled man's title you refer to as LOL was simply trying to talk. The feminists wouldn't allow this and bullied him off. Your arrogance in decimating his words is common on the fem threads. There is bullying, disablism, insults, man hating, deliberate goading, clique mentality, etc. Is this feminism then? (In your opinion)

This manifests itself in everything from unequal pay
So oppressed that there's laws to stop that?

And yet 40% of managers avoid hiring younger women to get around maternity leave

and

54,000 women a year in the UK are forced out of their jobs due to maternity discrimination

"FGM
Yep happens all the time in GB in 2018"

As a matter of fact, yes it does happen here.That's why it's now included in safeguarding training.

Idon'tdowindows, the disabled man's title you refer to as LOL was simply trying to talk

The fact that he was disabled has nothing to do with it, you're just using it to create an emotional response in people.

He wasn't trying to talk. He was trying to get educated, as he said himself. And he was expecting women to educate him.

If he really just wanted to talk, he would have participated in existing threads and he would have asked questions relevant to the topic at hand. He didn't. He opened his very own thread because he felt he was entitled to women's time and energy to educate him.

He wasn't bullied off. He was told in no uncertain terms that women weren't there to feed him feminism 101 in bite sized chunks.

Of course that hurt his feelings. Entitled people often feel hurt when people don't coddle their sense of entitlement. That's why we're in this whole mess with men throwing tantrums about not being let into female spaces on account of their feelings.

FGM
Yep happens all the time in GB in 2018, or are you co-opting barbaric third world practices as a symbol of your own oppression?

And yet 112 cases 2016-17

reproductive rights and lack of
Free birth control, free morning after pill and free abortions? Fucking patriarchy angry

And yet last time I check N. Ireland was still part of the UK

jelly

From the first article, managers preferring not to hire women of child bearing age is still not "oppression." A government minister in the very article you posted tells how they are making changes to the law to try and stop private businesses from doing so. I'd argue that's very much the opposite of oppression, wouldn't you? A government passing legislation to help a sector of society really doesn't lend itself to that idea at all.

MapleSap1 your arguments in your post of 13:57 could be used pretty much verbatim to argue that there is no racial discrimination in the USA. Look through what you wrote and you'll see what I mean. Anyone who did so would be rightly branded a racist, wouldn't you agree?

*child marriage
Co-opting again. *

And yet the home office dealt with 371 cases of child marriage

And yet last time I check N. Ireland was still part of the UK

And the last time I checked there's absolutely nothing stopping those women taking a boat/plane/jet ski to the mainland to access those services. If women were oppressed then that would surely travel restrictions would be in place?

rape culture
Everyone in GB loves a rapist. That's why people are hounded from their homes and sex offenders are kept separate from others in prison for their safety. Another sign of oppression for sure.

And yet [https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/about/data-on-violence-against-women-and-girls/ Approximately 85,000 women are raped and over 400,000 women are sexually assaulted in England and Wales every year.]

and

"In 2012-2013, 22,654 sexual offences against under-18s were reported to police in England and Wales with four out of five cases involving girls." (from website above with source)

A government passing legislation to help a sector of society really doesn't lend itself to that idea at all.
The fact that such legislation is needed is proof that the discrimination is happening to an unacceptable extent unless combated. You will only be able to say that there isn't any oppression any more when such laws become comedically quaint and outdated like the law that says you can't wear a suit or armour in parliament.

Bold and linky fail

Approximately 85,000 women are raped and over 400,000 women are sexually assaulted in England and Wales every year.

And the last time I checked there's absolutely nothing stopping those women taking a boat/plane/jet ski to the mainland to access those services

It never occurred to you that they might not have the money, or the childcare, or the ability to do so? There are lots of things stopping them, which you know, you goady bollocks.

And yet the home office dealt with 371 cases of child marriage

So because in GB you can get married at 16 with your parents permission that's evidence of female oppression?

Personally I don't think the ability to get married at 16 is "child marriage" but there you go.

16 year olds are legally children, so if they get married, its a child marriage. Which bit confuses you so?

214 of those children were under 16

It never occurred to you that they might not have the money, or the childcare, or the ability to do so? There are lots of things stopping them, which you know, you goady bollocks

Yes but its not the fucking state stopping them is it?

214 of those children were under 16

I can't find that stat in the link?

Yes but its not the fucking state stopping them is it?

Of course its the fucking state stopping them doing it locally like the other women of their country, numbnuts!

I can't decide whether your're goady or just incredibly stupid. I guess you could manage both at once.