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Not allowing my daughters to attend a wedding

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BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 01/05/2018 20:49

This might be long but I will try to keep it as short as I can.

My ex's sister is getting married in June. I am also supposed to attend a wedding where my DP is the best man on the same day.

This day is one that falls on a day of my access.

Ex and I have a long history with going to court for access. Ex is egocentric and rather than thinking about what is best for the children's stability always puts his own wants and needs before theirs in terms of access (got drunk/hungover a lot and didnt turn up- cue me getting a court order, changes shifts to suit his lifestyle and expects me to change both the children's life and mine to suit his).

His last shift change was a year ago and the court order no longer suited him and he turns up to avail of access as and when he wants. If theres a racing festival on, or a friend's birthday or the opening of an envelope, he will say he cant collect the kids at the allotted time.

I have acted over the past three years under legal advice because he is such a tool, that if he is not there to collect the children (notwithstanding traffic delays, legitimate reasons) that I do not have to allow him to take them.

He has been told by a judge to stop complaining and that he works around the children: the children dont work around him. He has ignored this.

I am truly sick of being treated like a doormat. Last week, he let me know with 1.5hrs before he was supposed to collect the children from school that he wouldnt be there and I must go. He has a conviction from ignoring a court order to stop harassing me.

I stick to my court order as if I give him an inch he takes a mile. Then some more.

He and his sister arranged our daughters to be flower girls at her wedding. She has bought them dresses. No one ever asked me or even bothered to tell me the date. As I knew this was my day with the kids, I went ahead and made my own plans to go to my BIL's wedding.

I only found out the date of his sister's wedding because I know someone in the hotel it's happening in. The assumption has been all along that I would just give in and say yes.

Ive had everything from him from 'youre a cow/bitch/cunt/insert other word here' to 'thats her godmother/what do you think the girls would choose' to his sister saying that she thinks my approach to his access is 'inhumane' and accusing me of not turning up to court to remedy access (there was no court date, apparently he went to get application papers that I do not need to be there for and had no knowledge of).

She has said how devasatated she is, and why would I prioritise this wedding over hers: a) I didnt know when it was; b) no one told me of these plans.

I have sent Ex future access proposals, have always been reasonable (I may not like the bugger, but the kids love him and I have always facillitated as much of equal weekend access as I can because of this.) but he hasnt moved his backside to change the access order he claims is soooooo unfair to him. Hes had fifteen months to do this, and all I get is a weekly threat to 'take me back to court'.

He can do it! I even told him which form to get, how to fill it out and explained it to him.

I am just sick to my back teeth of being treated like a doormat. He slots the children in around his life, I get treated like a babysitter and my life and anything I want to do is ignored. Im still having this wanker control my life nearly six years after splitting up, because he knows that anytime he chooses not to step up, I will rush in and save the day because I wont let the children down.

There's a long DV history to this, so I am trying not to be resentful or a bitch because of that. I want what is best for the kids, which is exactly why I got a court order in the first place: stability and continuity.

I am just wondering whether IABU.

I can see both sides, I dont want to hurt his sister, but I want to stand up for myself as well.

(That was not short. Apologies.)

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BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 01/05/2018 21:09

My girls are 10, 9 and 7.

I got 'told' last Thursday that this is what was happening.

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LittleOwl153 · 01/05/2018 21:11

What are the practical implications of each option. Where are the weddings in relation to each other? Are you planning to say the night local to your wedding - would he expect you to collect the children for the evening? And what is the connection of your dp to that wedding - is it his family?

I think realistically flower girl age kids would love that I'm sure and probably more so that just attending a wedding if they don't know anyone. But I would not give up your plans to enable this to happen given the circumstances.

If you were inclined to negotiate then I would say ok they can go to the wedding but ex will therefore need to make arrangements for them from Friday evening to Sunday morning or wherever the time you planned to be at the wedding and if he refuses then they do not go.

Nicknacky · 01/05/2018 21:11

What age are the kids?

mastershelp · 01/05/2018 21:11

OP I was the child concerned. I grew up to discover that both of my parents did things like this in order to 'not back down'. It made me feel that we were lawns in their stupid power games. I would let them be foodservice at their aunt's wedding.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 01/05/2018 21:11

YANBU. You have pre-existing plans. If you sent the girls, he'd probably only ruin your day by insisting you come to fetch them anyway.

mastershelp · 01/05/2018 21:12

Pawns, not lawns!

WomanEqualsAdultHumanFemale · 01/05/2018 21:12

I Have an ex who sounds pretty similar to yours. I get it. I was all for saying they should go to their aunts wedding but if it’s going to be a several days long piss up then no. I wouldn’t be happy about that. Unless he arranges to bring them back to you straight after the ceremony before any drinking.

diddl · 01/05/2018 21:12

How far away are the weddings?

Could you collect your daughters at some point?

Namethatchange · 01/05/2018 21:13

How far apart are these weddings? Is it possible your ex could collect them, they could attend the ceremony then he could bring them back to you at the other venue?

RandomMess · 01/05/2018 21:14

It's just too short notice and logistically you're just not available in order for them to go to Aunts wedding. I think it will turn into a nightmare and you'll get a phone call demanding you pick them up..,

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 01/05/2018 21:16

@LittleOwl153 the weddings are about 2.5 hours apart. He hasnot given me any plans just that 'Im taking them Thursday evening' and will not return them probably until the Sunday. He also has been known to drive the morning after: not ok with that

If we were amicable then this would not be an issue- but this ambishing and expecting me to change all my plans for him is horrible.

My daughters would love to be flower girls (but dont know about it), but last Thursday is the first I knew of this! We have our hotel booked, DP is best man and has suit hired and it feels like yet again I have to drop everything I have to accommodate him.

Im not a sulky teenager, but this feels so unfair.

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Thebluedog · 01/05/2018 21:17

Were we married to the same man op?

Yanbu, if he’s constantly changing access, being unreliable, generally putting himself first AND it’s your weekend. Then, put your foot down and tell him no. It’s not his weekend, he hasn’t asked. If he wants to change the days he sees the kids, then he starts to ask you. Not demand or tell, but ask. He needs to be flexible with you, as you are with him (Or have to be)

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 01/05/2018 21:17

2.5 hour driving distance

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Walkacrossthesand · 01/05/2018 21:17

Are you sure they're flower girls? Seems odd that dresses have allegedly been bought yet the girls haven't been told! When do they plan on telling them? Or is it possible the whole flower girl story is just a way of ramping up the emotional blackmail so you'll agree - and then there will be a last minute change of plan.

pineappleposter · 01/05/2018 21:18

He sounds like a royal douche. I am all for being flexible with my ex-dh because he is kind and reasonable, but with your history I'd be sticking to the letter of the order. I also wouldn't want my DD's in what sounds like an unstable environment/piss-up.

Nicknacky · 01/05/2018 21:18

You know, I would let them go. It’s their aunts wedding and they get to be flower girls and as long as ex is doing the pick up and drop off then on this occasion I would be the bigger person.

Smallhorse · 01/05/2018 21:18

It’s not about you, it’s not about your x ,

It’s about your kids.
Let them be flower girls at their auntie’s wedding.
They’ll love it and remember it forever.

Rise above the insults.

TrippingTheVelvet · 01/05/2018 21:18

Unless you hand on heart think they would be at risk from attending, then it's a case of what do you want more; to get one over on your ex or to make your daughters happy.

And don't forget - justified or not, if you say no now and he reminds them when they're older - will you be able to justify that decision to them?

NasdaqYouTwat · 01/05/2018 21:19

I think being a flowergirl at their aunt's wedding trumps your boyfriend's brother's wedding. I know I would have enjoyed the family wedding more as a child.

user1493413286 · 01/05/2018 21:19

I wouldn’t allow it based on your description of everyone getting drunk and him driving the next day.
As it’s your weekend the responsibility is on him to request that the children come to the wedding rather than assume they can

ShawshanksRedemption · 01/05/2018 21:19

Most people think others are reasonable and that parents can be adults and have a little bit of give and take. If your ex had been mature, been there for his DDs when he was supposed to, then I'm sure that them being flowers girls on your access day would have been discussed and amicably agreed.

Unfortunately your OP explains that this cannot happen with your ex, because he abuses it. As you say, give him an inch and he'll take a mile and more, so you have to stick to what is in the court order IMO.

qazxc · 01/05/2018 21:20

I would keep the girls with me.
It's too short notice.
By the sounds of it, he'll be getting pissed whilst minding them (or ringing you to come and get them).
As you say if you give an inch he will take a mile.
If you give in now, he'll think that bullying is the way to go.
I'm sure they'll have a lovely time at DBIL's wedding (could they be flower girls there?)

TrippingTheVelvet · 01/05/2018 21:20

If we were amicable then this would not be a problem

I think that sums it up really.

converseandjeans · 01/05/2018 21:21

He sounds like a nightmare - but I think that you should allow the girl to be flowers girls to their aunty - surely they would enjoy that more than BIL wedding (no relation of theirs). Perhaps ask for confirmation that grandparents will help out with the girls. I think if you stop them, they may hold it against you and favour ex in the future.

BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 01/05/2018 21:21

@Walkacrossthesand Im sure, she sent me a message saying how upset she was about no flower girls. Bought the girls gifts to use as their 'something old' at their own wedding from hers.

Cue me feeling like a bitch.

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