#AD

[MintyT]

I don't know about you, but since the instamums posts I have really noticed the #AD on posts, and to be honest I had no idea I was so gullible. I loved the threads regards instamums and really think MN made a small change, well done us

Maybe MoD should stay off mumsnet if she doesn’t like what she reads. That’s seems to be the instamum advice for anyone daring to discuss IG.

Had to look up Natasha Bailie because I don't follow her and have no idea who she is (she seems alright btw, not to my personal SM taste but, yknow, whatever). Anyway I can't work out exactly what her issue is with Mumsnet. And I HOPE that she isn't being deliberately vague in order to just rehash old us vs them arguments. I'd be happy to be stood corrected on that.

Because I have no issue whatsoever with other mothers in general. In fact I don't have issues particularly with Instagram influencers as individuals, I just find the trend of being Instafamous distasteful. I find it hard to see clearly wealthy people opening up box upon box of #gifted stuff.

So you fancy a free set of saucepans. Or an oven. Ok. Fair enough. Blag yourself some by all means. Use your hustle. But while you're doing that just please stop and think for five seconds about the low income families that get their pans from charity shops or are forced to buy dodgy and shitty second hand appliances (that sometimes blow up and cause tragedies... like Grenfell). Do you really need those free pans? I mean, really?

The Instagram vs Mumsnet thing is just beyond ridiculous really, it's an entirely West Side Story esque fabrication concocted by a handful of Instagram influencers. These people are limited companies, they are not above criticism. Of course they can be discussed here.

Have just unfollowed MoD, MP et al ( i never followed FoD, too annoying) and it feels GOOD. Am going to stick to German interior instagrammers from now on

I read the Natasha Bailie post and I find offensive. You can't make claims of bullying without being specific. Any HR departments will tell you that. I'm not talking about her naming posters, but about naming at the very least who the bullying is done to.

MN is currently being hit hard by claims of transphobic bullying. I hope that Natasha Bailie isn't using that as a bandwagon to jump on. If she's referring to Instamumphobia (yeah, I just made that up) then she needs to say so. And bring the receipts.

Also the hashtag #mamayougothis IT ISN'T SPELT PROPERLY, THERE'S A 't' MISSING FFS.

Ahem, there may be an 'it' missing from my first sentence

Still, I reserve the write to criticise spelling & grammar in professional hashtags. It's your business, you need to proofread.

She seems very desperate to be part of the cool mums gang on instagram and this is a way in. Those who were mentioned on the instamums thread are now reposting her pic and hashtag so for her it’s a win.
I’ve never been anywhere where women accuse women of bullying due to differing opinions. It all started due to some thread about holly willoughby apparently. It’s all been quiet for instamums lately so here we go again. This whole ‘we’re all mothers’ bollocks drives me mad. That doesn’t mean we have to agree with each other or support each other’s views.

#mamayougotthis is so cringey it makes my stomach turn inside out.

Natasha has a reasonable number of followers but really low engagement. She tried to make #dearmumsnet a thing with an image of herself a few days ago.

It didn't take off and MOD certainly didn't share the photo of Natasha. MOD shared today's screenshot image instead.

As MOD says: bit awks.

It does seem deliberately vague. Someone suggested it could be about a thread on Holly W? (I never even saw that), maybe its the trans threads? (some of the comments seem to allude to that), MOD seems to think its about her (is it?)? Who knows. All a bit weird.

NB "It's terrifying. I lose faith in humanity every time I look at it. Also I'm sad that they are mums"

MOD" That's what makes it even sadder"

WTF is going on? I've been spending my time discussing laminate floors and damp proof courses on mumsnet lately. Why are people feeling so sad? What have I missed and are they even discussing the same issue? So many questions..

This whole ‘we’re all mothers’ bollocks drives me mad. That doesn’t mean we have to agree with each other or support each other’s views.

I mean, Rose West is a mother and I personally don't support her decision to kill her daughter and bury her under the patio.

And from MOD's post: "I’ve never publicly discussed those threads on here before"

Hi all,

We've just deleted some posts that just weren't in the spirit. Please do keep things civil and bear TGs in mind when posting.

Isn’t Natasha Bailie the one whose best friend pretended to have cancer? If I recall correctly from previous threads NB totally crucified this woman publicly, despite her clearly suffering from a major mental health crisis, then has decided to fashion herself as some sort of mental health spokesperson?

They are now criticising mumsnet's "disgusting transphobia". Seriously just fuck off. I have the right to not want to share a women's refuge with a penis.

I'm really sick and tired of this policing of women's thoughts.

I stumbled across the dearmumsnet stories and wondered what she was going on about? What bullying? The mumsnet she describes is not the one I know at all. Just because we're mums and NB is a mum we're not allowed to discuss her posts when they are public and she is trying to get publicity? People can have opinions. I don't see bullying at all.

I’m actually really disturbed by this ‘campaign’.

Potentially turning women away from the, usually, sensible and supportive network of a place like mumsnet. Where people are anonymous, have no agenda and aren’t fucking being PAID to talk about a certain product.

Because some instamums don’t like being questioned about the way they earn their money??

Fucking hell.

It was interesting MOD posted the poor reviews, fishing for good reviews, as if you read them on Amazon for the 'journal' so many of them appeared that day and all have the same date... the comments for both books overall are pretty embarrassing, either just instamum backside licking or bewilders at how much of herself she has stuck into a book. How to Grow a baby appears to be critisized by medical professionals and to be misleading (week by week but misses majority) and the journal is a 'journal' it's hardly a book. I'd be fairly mortified by the comments not drawing attention to them.

Missed the #dearmumsnet A's barely follow any of them but the comments on many of them are very similar to a mumsnet thread. A bunch of people having a discussion. And the posts from NB and MOD are mainly putting others down. MOD's little post is interesting for a couple of reasons a) a main issue discussed with her was use of children and her husband's use of children to make money (never addressed) and b) her sneaky ads. Her account features far less children recently and more transparent ads and consequently there's been little discussion, so what on earth is the point in shifting the focus and playing that card? NB always comes across as the biggest bully of all and the worst person to help mental health.

Just been on their Instagram pages - what a load of crap. So now I’ve said that, I’m a bully according to them?
We’re all mums, we should stick together.... who gives a shit? All the worst people in the world are humans but just because we have that in common doesn’t mean I have to like/agree with them.
But hey, they’re all mostly in it to be instafamous (I cringe just typing that!) and the more likes, the more followers the better the freebies I guess.

It does all read like another attempt to garner attention, a new crusade if you will. If you’ve been criticised for showing too much of your children or how you display ads, then you’re left with fewer options of what to put in your IG. They simply cannot insist that people don’t discuss them and actually the tone of their feeds is actually quite hostile in itself. ‘Let’s talk about this subject, but only in a way that suits me because I’m the big girl and I say so’. Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid. It just feels like they want to increase the size of their echo chamber and now they’re using the trans discussion as a tool to beat mumsnet with and cloud the specific issues people discuss in regards to them. Nice muddying of the waters there.

It's interesting to compare the quality of conversation on this thread with the quality of conversation on theirs. 'But you're such a lovely funny family!' 'Ignore the haters they're just jealous and lonely.' 'How could anyone hate you hon?' It goes in one direction. On here it questions, analyses, takes the piss, examines closely....on what planet should that type of talk be shut down? What a pathetic, inward looking thing to have a campaign about?!!! They should really get some real problems instead of fluffy, naricissistic made up ones..

Those saucepans are ok, but the metal handles on the lids will get hot and they have to use a tea towel to remove them. I wouldn't buy them for that reason alone. #goodadvice

The instamums love a campaign. Especially if it involves a T shirt.

I cannot believe she is setting up like a campaign as if she’s going to make a difference. Please Mumsnet, don’t engage with the bullshit. Any comments perceived as bullying are always swiftly removed.
As others have said, it’s so vague. Natasha is getting a bit of backlash on her own instagram now, she probably won’t respond or will delete. To be honest, I think the backlash is exactly what she wanted and then there’s more accusations she can throw around just because someone didn’t agree. It’s been quiet on the Asha front so now it’s her opportunity to start talking about all that again.