That many people believe they are pro choice but are not

[winterstail]

My understanding of pro choice is that you support a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

Many people claim to be pro choice but then express shock at the reason a woman chooses to terminate.

This isn't pro choice then, is it?

Yanbu

I have become even more pro-choice, in the full sense, since becoming a mother.

Late abortions within even the legal limit are vanishingly rare and done for very sad reasons, mostly medical but sometimes social. Post the legal limit is purely medical terminations.

I support any and every woman’s right to choose to have an abortion. Would I in their shoes? Maybe, maybe not depending on the circumstances. Do I believe they should be allowed to make a choice based on their own circumstances not somebody else’s value judgement of said circumstance? Yes, absolutely.

I am pro-choice because I support women's rights to access legal safe abortion. That does not mean I have to agree with their choice, but it means my feelings or views do not over ride a woman's autonomy over her own body.

So I am 'pro-choice, but'. Which is still very much pro-choice, and I have actively campaigned to support abortion rights.

I am pro choice. My beliefs have not altered since having 2 children and a miscarriage. If anything I am even clearer on how I feel. To force a woman to have a baby is abhorrent.

@pandamonium88

Well it’s not a stupid question then, because you can’t actually say that you do know people who repeatedly use adoptation as a form of contraception.

What do you want from this thread because if you really are pro choice your attitude is going to push people into a corner and say under your rules they are not pro choice. Is that what you want?

@pandamonium88 now you're just being silly. So you don't actually know anyone that had one,just assume they've had one and not told you and then go even further and assume that at least som3of those (made up) abortions were as a form of birth control?

And you think that's enough evidence to peddle "I don't agree with abortion as birth control"?

Since 2012 there's been roughly a figure of 185k abortions per year for whatever reason. In 2016 there were 190k and 38% of those women had previously had an abortion, same as the previous year.

Stats are available on the Gov website Rebel if you'd like to read them

I am pro-choice, but would struggle with the morality of it after a certain point. I don't think it should be delayed by the necessity of getting approval from various doctors, the sooner it's done the better.

I'd have advised my daughters to have a termination if they'd become pregnant in their teens or early twenties. Luckily that didn't happen. The same in the case of either rape or an indication that there was something wrong with the foetus.

Today two things popped up on my fb feed, and like a previous poster I'm livid about it. There is so much money being thrown at the NO campaign - American money, as far as I can see.

Does anyone on here actually know people who use abortion(s) as a ‘lazy form of birth control’? I don’t.

Yes, I knew one woman who did.

I’d say most early terminations are due to lack of contraception - I very much doubt 200,000 women a year are unlucky enough to have contraception failure?

In 2016 there were 190k and 38% of those women had previously had an abortion, same as the previous year

What’s your point? I assume there’s nothing accompanying those stats to give the reasons people had those abortions?

I’m pro choice and I try not to judge. However I do think most people will fall into a grey area with regards to abortion... like most things, nothing is black and white

@IHaveBrilloHair Hugs and

I'm not saying that the choice should be taken away - although I'm not sure it's there now in UK law? - to abort on gender grounds. I was pointing out, like others, that the op seems to imply that pro choice means we shouldn't judge, or disapprove of any choice.

I am kind of anti-abortion for me, not something that sits comfortably - but that is between me and MY conscience - I do not know how I would feel in some of the unfortunate circumstances that I have never been in.

but pro choice for everyone,

just because I don't want to doesn't mean others should not have the right to.

It is all a bit complicated where feelings are involved that's for sure.

There was a really good ‘drama’ on Radio 4 a while ago in which a playwright documented her termination at 19 weeks.
If you’re interested it’s worth a listen (left me in tears)
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09z4k4d

Hmm, I think you might BU actually OP. Depends how pro choice is defined. Is it about support for the right to legal abortion, or do you mean something more like a general support for the decision itself? I tend to take the first approach myself.

With that in mind, I think it's possible for a person to be pro-choice even if they're judgy as shit, as long as they're still willing to accept the woman's right to do it. It's possible to say I think you're disgusting for having that abortion because of reason X, but I'd still support your right to have it. Others would disagree. But there are a lot of things I really don't understand people doing, sometimes even disapprove of, that I think they should be able to do.

like most things, nothing is black and white

You're either pro choice or you're pro life.
Pro choice is respecting every woman's choice no matter what the circumstances and not judging her at all.
Pro life is disagreeing with abortion in all circumstances including rape, incest, and medical reasons.

There is no grey area.

I’m about as pro choice as possible, I know that what someone else does has nothing to do with me. I don’t care about early abortion as a ‘lazy form of contraception’ because I don’t believe a 9wk (or whatever it is) pregnancy is a baby or likely to feel pain

@surferjet There are 33 million women in the UK - why is 1.5% of all women (assuming all women have sex once year) an unlikely percentage of contraception failure?

I'm pro choice but certainly have caveats.

There needs to be a limit as to the age of the baby / fetus and I wonder if we've got it wrong in the UK at the moment.

I judge people for their reasons and I think my judgement depends on the stage of the pregnancy and think the reason needs to be better as time goes on.

This isn't a simple question sorted with blackj or white decisions.

Dh used to be friends with a woman who has 3 abortions because she didn’t want a child at that time including one with her husband with whom she went on to have 2 children only a couple of years later. One or even two abortions are mistakes but by 3, she was using it as a form of contraceptive.

I was shocked by her choice to have her 3rd abortion then keep the next 2 pregnancies. Especially by the way she was so matter of fact about it.

Of course she had every right to these abortions. I wouldn’t want to be in a society where she was made to have these babies. This makes me pro choice. Not having any feelings about her choices would make me a stone.

*And ONLY once per year.