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To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?

204 replies

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 04:34

Backstory: we live 9 months a year in an urban centre, 3 months each year we move to the country to bring in a harvest at our small farm.

We have a great relationship with our all our farm neighbours, and try hard to be good community members even though we are crazy busy when we are at the farm (as we are now). Our next-door neighbours have become quite close with us in recent years, due to us having DDs the same age (7) who adore each other.

Last summer, unbeknownst to us, they decided to heavily ‘prune’ the row of 25yo bushy cypress trees which form the ‘fence’ between our properties, about 15 trees. Basically they stripped all the lower branches, to over 2 metres from the ground, think lollipops. It effectively makes it look like one property, rather than two, and took away a lot of our privacy as well as wind-protection and gave us line of sight to a busy road.

The trees were originally planted on our side of the boundary (trunks), with large branches on either side. The neighbours needed to be on our property to complete half the job, and a big 3-4 day job it would’ve been, too. They didn’t get in touch before, during or after.

When I saw it, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I actually stood there, rubbing my eyes and shaking my head in case I was seeing things. Their chickens, dogs and kids had evidently been using our garden as an extension to theirs all year. I invited her over for tea and asked her through fairly clenched teeth what had happened. She was shocked we didn’t like the new look, and seemed to expect thanks for all their hard work😧. I was quite proud at how calmly I told her that no, we were going to need them to reinstate the boundary with something equally natural (ie not some cheap metal panelling) asap. At this point she gets teary and tells me they are putting their house on the market, and are short of funds due to property improvements they’ve made. (Yeah, like the chainsaw fuel they needed to double their garden space, I thought loudly).

I stood my ground and made sure DH did the same seperately with neighbour DH. He (but not she) apologised profusely, said ‘it made sense to do it at the time, but now that you explain it, I can see we did the wrong thing’. He is a builder by trade so we agreed he would consider the fencing options, and get back to us. We tried to look at it as a ‘spilt milk’ situation, and got on with our harvest.

Fast forward 2 months. We’re nearing the end of our farm work, kids have been playing together a lot, families sharing food, help, excursions, etc. A few times we’ve raised the fence topic, looking to get it resolved before they formally put their house up for sale, so we don’t have randoms walking through our property when we’re not here. Vague nodding from them. Today I go over to get firm confirmation of the plan, and timings. She squares off at me and states that they will not be doing or paying anything towards the fence, that they were completely justified in what they did, that we should stop pestering them about it when they’ve got so much on their plates (designing their new house) and anyway, we’re hardly ever here to use our garden so why are we making such an unreasonable fuss?

I’m stood there like Shock then burst into tears and run off home. I’m usually so capable and practical and calm, but she’s ruined my lovely private garden, devalued my property, patently waited until I’m trying to finalise our business and pack up the house to drop this bombshell. Admittedly I’m exhausted and stressed, and fairly ‘peopled out’.

The girls have a long-awaited sleepover at theirs on Saturday, before we leave Monday. AIBU to fake an excuse to cancel it (with all the drama it’ll cause with the girls) and add further bad feeling? I just want a quiet few days to figure out what to do with these CFs, and finish my work. I thought they were sane, and friends. Unless of course we’ve been unreasonable too?

OP posts:
Cherrypieface123 · 26/04/2018 17:25

No sleepover.
Lawyer and/or police re damage to property.
CCTV that you can access when not there.
I’d suggest you give them a time limit, during which they have the opportunity to restore your land to how it was previously. If they don’t then it’s the full weight of the law.

Iluvthe80s · 26/04/2018 17:31

I would cancel. Would not trust her with my child. And I'm afraid I'd take legal action if they aren't willing to reinstate the damage they caused of a fence presumably you have pictures of the trees before the damage. I would be furious

Iluvthe80s · 26/04/2018 17:37

Like another poster said you need to ensure the estate agent is aware of the dispute to ensure you protect your boundary. Otherwise new buyer will make assumptions and you'll be dealing with problems there too. Get your other friends to help you put a fence up. I'd also send a solicitors letter forbidding them to access your land. As they are leavi g is be tempted to start legal proceedings too. In UK you have to make buyers aware of neighbour disputes this might spur them on to build a fence to avoid not being able to sell the house

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/04/2018 18:09

Thanks for clarifying the position of the trees. Therefore they went completely on your land to cut the trees into lollipops. There is no way you should let these people get away with hacking at your trees.

Regarding them having no money. Is that because they are buying a more expensive property?

Now you’ve explained it completely, I would definitely look in to having the trees replaced at their expense. This is large scale vandalism. And they knew it. You’ve been far too nice to them. And they know it. They’re pissed off because you’ve called them out on their behaviour.

JustVent · 26/04/2018 18:30

Following. I bloody love a good neighbourly dispute.

Skittlesandbeer · 27/04/2018 01:41

honeysucklejasmine

Yep, those pics capture the look quite well, only picture the lollipops with pointy tops and much bigger trunks.

Update: Neighbour husband has texted DH to meet up this afternoon. Will be interested to see if he’s apologetic and ready to pay for reparations, or if Mrs Chainsaw has taken her skills to his nether regions and he’s now spouting her line.

Thought it’d be interesting to the more invested posters to hear what she originally told me was the reason they did this to the trees. It was actually quite funny, until it wasn’t. She said (straight-faced) that the trees had spoken to her, and expressed a ‘trapped and suffocated’ feeling. She did what she did to ‘free them’ and let light and air circle them. She’s always been very...ahem...whimsical in her approach to life.
When I asked about her new property purchase, she said she put a note in an old tree on that farm, to let the fairies know she’d be a great new owner! I mean, it takes all types (SOMEONE has to make all the dream catchers after all), but there wasn’t anything very hippy about the days of chainsawing.

Now of course she says it was because it was a snake-hazard Hmm, and they preferred the look, and we ‘weren’t here to care anyway’.

OP posts:
ThumbWitchesAbroad · 27/04/2018 01:57

Oh bollocks is it a snake hazard, you 100% had it right in your OP, she wanted to smudge the boundary and make it look like your land/garden is part of theirs! lying witch.

I'd definitely get the cheapest and ugliest fencing put in, but yes, you'll have to pay for it yourselves (guessing your in the Antipodes by various comments so I know fences are supposed to be joint ventures except in dispute cases) - and if it fucks their property value, so fucking be it!

I would let your DD have her sleepover because I reckon once that fence goes up, your witch neighbour won't be letting her DD anywhere near yours so they might as well have a last hurrah.

Fucking cheek of her!!

thebewilderness · 27/04/2018 02:07

Fairies do not like tree killers and liars.

Shootfirstaskquestionslater · 27/04/2018 02:52

Fairies and talking trees sweet nibblets you've got a right crack pot on your hands there OP are you sure it's a house move she needs and not a nice long holiday in the funny farm I mean each to their own and all that but gurgley Jesus on a tricycle that takes the biscuit.

Dobbyy · 27/04/2018 02:58

Please send her a letter from the ‘fairies’ telling her how upset they are that she destroyed there homeGrin

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/04/2018 03:11

Well if she wants to free them, she can take them with her and plant them at your new house (yes I know that’s not possible) and plant some new one in their place. Afterall they need protecting. Bless the trees Confused.

Daifuku9 · 27/04/2018 03:31

Perhaps you should develop a Halloween is every day obsession and put these up among the trees they butchered. Give any potential buyers the idea that the Addams Family is real and lives there.

I wouldn’t let your DD go to the sleepover. While it’s not the girl’s fault her parents are total assholes, it just seems too awkward.

I’m very sorry about your trees.

To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?
Mammasmitten · 27/04/2018 03:39

Cancel the sleepover. Your dd and her friend can play together in neutral territory like outside play. Explain to your daughter that there is a dispute between the parents that the adults need time to sort out. Keep it vague don't go into details. The children will get over not having a sleepover.

M0reGinPlease · 27/04/2018 03:39

I'd be absolutely raging.

I wouldn't let DD go to the sleepover. Yes, it's unfair on the children but I'd also be taking legal action- a strongly worded solicitors letter at the least- and I think sending DD to the sleepover could muddy the waters as to how I was really feeling. You need to be clear with them that they have committed criminal damage and trespass. I also have to say I'd have probably done this by now as it sounds like you've let it drag on. In fairness I suppose you've given them reasonable time to make amends but they clearly have no intention.

Livid for you OP.

scatteredglitter · 27/04/2018 04:26

I think I would also go or send a represeentive S a secret viewer when they are selling their property to ensure they are not saying anything untrue about the boundaries and rights to potential new owners.

I think put up a fence you like yourself in the meantime and send the cost to them. If you need to presue legally then you will have to. I m shocked and saddened for you OP what a terrible thing for someone to do

Shadow666 · 27/04/2018 05:02

I’m just Shock at that.

Sounds like the husband is more reasonable.

ElderflowerWaterIsDelish · 27/04/2018 06:00

I would put something up before you leave to clearly mark the boundary line and to keep the neighbour off your property, even a wire fence, and also for security reasons since she has expose your property and made it visible to a busy road.

I don't think I'd recommend you let your daughter go to sleepover, i mean, are the girls planning to stay in contact and visit once the neighbour moves? Do they stay in contact the other 9 months of the year? If they really must have the sleep over can they have it at your house so you will be in control and not worrying about what the neighbour is doing or what she is saying to.your daughter?

newdaylight · 27/04/2018 06:02

Oh for fucks sake she's of the woo.

Graphista · 27/04/2018 06:28

Fairly woo myself - that's bollocks! Anyone who genuinely cared about nature wouldn't desecrate it like that.

She was trying to sell her property under false pretences.

Anyone else envisaging future op's under Nc "been here ages 'cancel the sleepover' etc"? Grin

trojanpony · 27/04/2018 06:29

Another one who says don’t sent her to the sleepover.

No good will come of it.

She sounds a bit Hmm and Confused
Have you got an idea of the cost to dig and replant ? I’d be looking into that as an option through the courts. I know your parent found it stressful but you aren’t about to start suing everyone this is a one off

Also I just don’t get why the fuck didn’t they just phone you? They are absolute CFs

pictish · 27/04/2018 06:31

I’d be fuming! It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

KC225 · 27/04/2018 06:34

I came in her to sat cancel the sleepover but let the DD's play together.

We are also not in the uk and my DD plays with a neighbours DD. We are in dispute about money with the local riding stable. Girls arranged a sleepover, and the neighbour joins the board of the riding stable and gets really nasty bringing up personal stuff. We tell the board we are not dealing with neighbour as we live really close and our DD's are friends. After a discussion we decide to let our DD go on the prearranged sleepover. DD came back in tears saying mother had been grilling her for information. Making comments like 'Oh so you went to xxxxxx but you won't pay your bills'. DD felt very uncomfortable. I asked her why she didn't phone us to come home. And she said the mother said 'You can't run away from the truth.' And that she being silly and she wanted to ruin her DD's night. I was fuming. DH had to handle as my local language skills aren't up to it. Basically the mother denied it, saying our DD made it up and it was typical 'our family'. We hadn't discussed it in front of our DD because we didn't want her to think we would atil her riding. The girls are allowed to play here but my DD does not go into her house.

We wanted to be the bigger people but in hindsight we should not have let her go. We now don't speak to the neighbour even though the stables admitted they were wrong and ita been resolved. This is minute compared to your dispute.

Your neighbour sounds nuts with her fairies and talking trees. Can you really trust her not make barbed comments or grill your daughter for information.?

userinterface34 · 27/04/2018 06:50

She sounds to crazy to reason with! Hopefully your new neighbour won’t be so weird!

RiotAndAlarum · 27/04/2018 07:05

Those saying "don't punish the children" aren't seeing cancelling as protecting the children. If this made OP burst into tears, how is it fair to risk subjecting a 7yo girl to emotional pressure?

As for not liking lawsuits because of your parent's over-use of them, OP, your parent really does sound extreme. By contrast, suing here and now is a-stitch-in-time-saves-nine. If you deal with this one problem, you may be able to settle the relationship with the other family, rather than allowing many onjustices and slights to accumulatr over years, leaving it an unravelled, local mess forever (which your DD will find more distressing!).

My father had an incident with a CF relative trying to take advantage: a few calls to utility companies meant a bit of humiliation for the CF, but sorted the problem. No further problems! No additional resentment.

Bluelonerose · 27/04/2018 07:43

I like the hanging something from the branches idea. I'm thinking sex dolls Grin
Tell her they spoke to you demanding to see her