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To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?

204 replies

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 04:34

Backstory: we live 9 months a year in an urban centre, 3 months each year we move to the country to bring in a harvest at our small farm.

We have a great relationship with our all our farm neighbours, and try hard to be good community members even though we are crazy busy when we are at the farm (as we are now). Our next-door neighbours have become quite close with us in recent years, due to us having DDs the same age (7) who adore each other.

Last summer, unbeknownst to us, they decided to heavily ‘prune’ the row of 25yo bushy cypress trees which form the ‘fence’ between our properties, about 15 trees. Basically they stripped all the lower branches, to over 2 metres from the ground, think lollipops. It effectively makes it look like one property, rather than two, and took away a lot of our privacy as well as wind-protection and gave us line of sight to a busy road.

The trees were originally planted on our side of the boundary (trunks), with large branches on either side. The neighbours needed to be on our property to complete half the job, and a big 3-4 day job it would’ve been, too. They didn’t get in touch before, during or after.

When I saw it, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I actually stood there, rubbing my eyes and shaking my head in case I was seeing things. Their chickens, dogs and kids had evidently been using our garden as an extension to theirs all year. I invited her over for tea and asked her through fairly clenched teeth what had happened. She was shocked we didn’t like the new look, and seemed to expect thanks for all their hard work😧. I was quite proud at how calmly I told her that no, we were going to need them to reinstate the boundary with something equally natural (ie not some cheap metal panelling) asap. At this point she gets teary and tells me they are putting their house on the market, and are short of funds due to property improvements they’ve made. (Yeah, like the chainsaw fuel they needed to double their garden space, I thought loudly).

I stood my ground and made sure DH did the same seperately with neighbour DH. He (but not she) apologised profusely, said ‘it made sense to do it at the time, but now that you explain it, I can see we did the wrong thing’. He is a builder by trade so we agreed he would consider the fencing options, and get back to us. We tried to look at it as a ‘spilt milk’ situation, and got on with our harvest.

Fast forward 2 months. We’re nearing the end of our farm work, kids have been playing together a lot, families sharing food, help, excursions, etc. A few times we’ve raised the fence topic, looking to get it resolved before they formally put their house up for sale, so we don’t have randoms walking through our property when we’re not here. Vague nodding from them. Today I go over to get firm confirmation of the plan, and timings. She squares off at me and states that they will not be doing or paying anything towards the fence, that they were completely justified in what they did, that we should stop pestering them about it when they’ve got so much on their plates (designing their new house) and anyway, we’re hardly ever here to use our garden so why are we making such an unreasonable fuss?

I’m stood there like Shock then burst into tears and run off home. I’m usually so capable and practical and calm, but she’s ruined my lovely private garden, devalued my property, patently waited until I’m trying to finalise our business and pack up the house to drop this bombshell. Admittedly I’m exhausted and stressed, and fairly ‘peopled out’.

The girls have a long-awaited sleepover at theirs on Saturday, before we leave Monday. AIBU to fake an excuse to cancel it (with all the drama it’ll cause with the girls) and add further bad feeling? I just want a quiet few days to figure out what to do with these CFs, and finish my work. I thought they were sane, and friends. Unless of course we’ve been unreasonable too?

OP posts:
Juells · 26/04/2018 07:58

Establishing the boundary line is the most urgent thing to do.

WhiteFreesias · 26/04/2018 08:00

I'd seek legal advice. The DH at least understands he was doing/did the wrong thing.

MarthasGinYard · 26/04/2018 08:01

What's he now like Op given he was the one apologising.

Or is it Mrs ChainsawCF that wears the gardening gloves over that yard?

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 26/04/2018 08:03

I think you definitely need to see a solicitor about this

BrownTurkey · 26/04/2018 08:06

Just explain to the dc that you are having a bit of an argument with the neighbours at the moment, and help them find another way to have a nice ending with their friends (say, playing outside). Just keep on at them, she is clearly in the wrong and he knows it.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 26/04/2018 08:12

I would cancel the sleepover too, or have the girl over at your house.
You seriously need to take whatever action you can, right now, as things could escalate whilst you are away.

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 08:15

Don’t know if it makes a difference, but they’re only moving about 5 mins away (to a big farm where they might learn a thing or two about the pain of fencing maintenance). The girls have been excitedly making plans for next year’s Easter egg hunt at ‘the new house’. Likely they won’t be in yet, but still renting nearby. Emphasis on ‘nearby’.

Won’t be the first time my DD’s deep-and-abiding love of a BFF (who she actually only sees a handful of times a year) makes life difficult!

Update: little next door girl just came knocking, looking to play in the garden(s) after school. Luckily DD was legitimately with daddy on the farm, and not available. More excited talk from both girls about the sleepover. Tick tock, I’ve got to make a decision soon.

There’s definitely a case to be made for suing here, but I’m against it in principle. My parent was a very vindictive person, who would stubbornly pursue people (friends, relatives, employees, strangers) through the courts. Never saw it give him one moment of joy or satisfaction. Never recovered the costs, and the stress contributed to an early demise. And he was actually in the ‘right’ most of the time, and often won!

I’m not against a tactical strongly-worded solicitor’s letter, however.

Of course now I’ll have to pay for a fence of some sorts- (hi-vis orange netting??) which’ll soak up what little profit our farm is likely to make this season. To replace trees that did the job better, for free, that were illegally chopped at. Our laws here allow you to trim branches on your side of the boundary. In fact our ‘other side’ neighbours did just that, in consultation with us, a few years back. Each tree has a diameter of close to 3mtrs of v dense foliage, branches thicker than your leg. Taking off their ‘half’ made absolutely no difference to the density from our side. Not a chink of light/sound/dust/chicken came through. In fact we all enjoyed a bonfire from the branches together, over a drink.

There has never been a conversation, glance, intimation or vague sign-language gesture about our trees causing problems for the neighbours at issue now. We turned up, they were stripped. End of consultation. Sigh.

OP posts:
achoocashew · 26/04/2018 08:15

Do you not have anyone keeping an eye on your property when you are away? Anyone could do anything, surely?

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 26/04/2018 08:22

they have written off your friendship. selling their property and using yours is more important to them than your friendship. i'd be fucking fuming

@eddielizzard nails it

PuppyMonkey · 26/04/2018 08:22

I don’t think you can possibly do a sleepover if you’re going to be sending strongly worded letters, getting solicitors involved etc. You partaking in a neighbourly sleepover is sending very mixed signals to them imho.

nellieellie · 26/04/2018 08:22

Your trees will not grow back if main branches have been pruned back to the trunk. Is it possible to send them a letter saying you intend to seek solicitors advice concerning damage/trespass to your property. You were prepared to not do this on the basis they paid for fencing, and because of the previously good relationship with you, but given they have made clear their refusal to make good any damage, you are now forced to this course of action. Also ask them to please note, that any proposed or ongoing dispute concerning you as neighbours and concerning your land may impact on their house sale.
Even if you’re not in the UK, I can’t think that they are not required to disclose any dispute with you. As to the sleepover, no, I wouldn’t want my kids having anything to do with people who would do that to their friends.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 26/04/2018 08:27

As PP said send a text, and IF YOU WISH put the ball in her court vis a vis the sleepover.

Yes DD would get over it but if this is her BFF (even if temporary) it sucks for her that your penis of a neighbour has effectively wrecked your relationship and by proxy caused problems for your DDs.

So send the text - “I know we are at loggerheads regarding the trees but tell me honestly, do you actually want to do this sleepover? Whatever you decide I’ll accept”.

Means if she says no then you’re 100% absolved of all guilt.

Only after that hit her with a solicitors letter out the blue.

Juells · 26/04/2018 08:35

How far back from the boundary are the trees? On their side of the tree there'd be one and a half metres of foliage, that's not a lot. How big is their plot, and how far are the trees from their house?

I like the sound of horrible orange plastic wobbly fencing on your boundary. Cheap and objectionable-looking.

MissDuke · 26/04/2018 08:35

OP I think I would take dd out to do something else instead. It just seems inappropriate when relations have broken down as badly as they have. Your neighbours have behaved appallingly! I know I couldn't rest knowing dd was at someones house who had made me cry a few days before!

MarthasGinYard · 26/04/2018 08:36

Can we have a very basic MN sketch of borders Op?

Juells · 26/04/2018 08:38

Diagram! Diagram! Diagram! Diagram! Diagram! Diagram! Diagram!

Figgygal · 26/04/2018 08:40

Dear me she is a brazen conceited narcissistic twat essentially isn't she it's all about her and their house sale with no consideration for how it's impacted your property they are not friends of yours I would be glad to see the back of them when they move

But don't punish the children

Temporarily Stick up the ugliest fence you can find to shaft their selling plans

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 26/04/2018 08:44

Alternatively stick a couple of IEDs along their side of the boundary

Juells · 26/04/2018 08:50

BTW, if they agree to put up the fence while you're not there they might try to shift the boundary. That's a very popular ploy with CFs. You really need to be clear about where the boundary is.

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 08:52

Hmmm I’d dearly love to oblige with a diagram. I have access to plentiful colourful markers, thanks to arty 7yo. Sadly I’ll have to look up how to draw it and post it, then actually achieve those things. I’m going to have to step away from the iPad to work at the farm for a couple of hours (gotta work harder now I’ve got an unexpected fluorescent fence with old fish bunting to sling up).

I will endeavour to supply visual aids later tonight (today for UK folk). No reason it can’t be actual pics of actual denuded trees, except it’s dark now.

Hey did I say thanks yet? You guys (and your considered views) are freakin’ wonderful, and helping a difficult day for me. Nice when MN restores your faith in womankind. And I don’t just mean those posters who agree with me Wink

OP posts:
MrsMozart · 26/04/2018 08:58

I feel your pain OP. I'd be so angry I'd be spitting feathers.

I'm with the 'manky fence' right your side of the border, then some nice screening fencing pannels / rushes / fluffy stuff to hide both the manky fence and their faces.

I do so hate this sort of cheeky fuckery.

notapizzaeater · 26/04/2018 08:58

I'd be furious, and be putting up huge private property signs, no entry etc all Along the border,

Can you come back mid season to make sure the new neighbours don't think they've a huge garden ?

UpstartCrow · 26/04/2018 09:04

@Skittlesandbeer
It might be possible to replace the lower branches by grafting branch tips into the trunk. It would be time and labour intensive.

SoupDragon · 26/04/2018 09:12

Alternatively stick a couple of IEDs along their side of the boundary

Don’t be ridiculous.

They’d have to go on the boundary line, not over it.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 26/04/2018 09:15

I second the fence.

Could you install smart cameras so you can view your property remotely? Or a cheaper option, dummies that your neighbours think are real.