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To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?

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Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 04:34

Backstory: we live 9 months a year in an urban centre, 3 months each year we move to the country to bring in a harvest at our small farm.

We have a great relationship with our all our farm neighbours, and try hard to be good community members even though we are crazy busy when we are at the farm (as we are now). Our next-door neighbours have become quite close with us in recent years, due to us having DDs the same age (7) who adore each other.

Last summer, unbeknownst to us, they decided to heavily ‘prune’ the row of 25yo bushy cypress trees which form the ‘fence’ between our properties, about 15 trees. Basically they stripped all the lower branches, to over 2 metres from the ground, think lollipops. It effectively makes it look like one property, rather than two, and took away a lot of our privacy as well as wind-protection and gave us line of sight to a busy road.

The trees were originally planted on our side of the boundary (trunks), with large branches on either side. The neighbours needed to be on our property to complete half the job, and a big 3-4 day job it would’ve been, too. They didn’t get in touch before, during or after.

When I saw it, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I actually stood there, rubbing my eyes and shaking my head in case I was seeing things. Their chickens, dogs and kids had evidently been using our garden as an extension to theirs all year. I invited her over for tea and asked her through fairly clenched teeth what had happened. She was shocked we didn’t like the new look, and seemed to expect thanks for all their hard work😧. I was quite proud at how calmly I told her that no, we were going to need them to reinstate the boundary with something equally natural (ie not some cheap metal panelling) asap. At this point she gets teary and tells me they are putting their house on the market, and are short of funds due to property improvements they’ve made. (Yeah, like the chainsaw fuel they needed to double their garden space, I thought loudly).

I stood my ground and made sure DH did the same seperately with neighbour DH. He (but not she) apologised profusely, said ‘it made sense to do it at the time, but now that you explain it, I can see we did the wrong thing’. He is a builder by trade so we agreed he would consider the fencing options, and get back to us. We tried to look at it as a ‘spilt milk’ situation, and got on with our harvest.

Fast forward 2 months. We’re nearing the end of our farm work, kids have been playing together a lot, families sharing food, help, excursions, etc. A few times we’ve raised the fence topic, looking to get it resolved before they formally put their house up for sale, so we don’t have randoms walking through our property when we’re not here. Vague nodding from them. Today I go over to get firm confirmation of the plan, and timings. She squares off at me and states that they will not be doing or paying anything towards the fence, that they were completely justified in what they did, that we should stop pestering them about it when they’ve got so much on their plates (designing their new house) and anyway, we’re hardly ever here to use our garden so why are we making such an unreasonable fuss?

I’m stood there like Shock then burst into tears and run off home. I’m usually so capable and practical and calm, but she’s ruined my lovely private garden, devalued my property, patently waited until I’m trying to finalise our business and pack up the house to drop this bombshell. Admittedly I’m exhausted and stressed, and fairly ‘peopled out’.

The girls have a long-awaited sleepover at theirs on Saturday, before we leave Monday. AIBU to fake an excuse to cancel it (with all the drama it’ll cause with the girls) and add further bad feeling? I just want a quiet few days to figure out what to do with these CFs, and finish my work. I thought they were sane, and friends. Unless of course we’ve been unreasonable too?

OP posts:
Juells · 26/04/2018 11:07

Do not send your child to their house! Chances are she will either overhear something that'll upset her or they will say something cruel to her about you

There's nothing surer. The mother won't be able to stop herself...

Gramgram · 26/04/2018 11:13

Can you have this sleep over at your house? Or am I missing the point? It would just be a change of venue, I appreciate it would mean some inconvenience as you are packing up to leave.

The hedge or fence is a separate issue, I'd put in some quick growing shrubs and inform them to leave them alone.

ChasedByBees · 26/04/2018 11:39

I wouldn’t have the sleepover. It has high possibility of being awkward. It sounds like they’ve changed your landscape irreparably if the branches won’t grow back and it’s too dry for other plants to grow underneath. It’s quite a lot to ‘let go’.

Furano · 26/04/2018 12:02

Why didn't they leave your trees alone if they were intending to move in the near future?

To make it look like th ehouse was being sold with a much larger garden (the OPs!) than it is.

OP - get home ASAP and put up the most ugly fucking god awful cheap ass fence you can. Make it look like a prison fence.

That will mark your boundary and fuck them off because it will make their property look awful. More incentive for them to pay fora nice fence!

ittakes2 · 26/04/2018 12:05

I agree cancel the sleepover. You have good reason to think this woman is devious as she waited until you were leaving to bring this up with you. I would not feel comfortable leaving her in charge of my child/ren if she had treated me, an adult, the way she treated you.

ittakes2 · 26/04/2018 12:06

I also think you should take them to the small claims court or something - yes they don't have money now - but they will when they sell their property.

Donotbequotingmeinbold · 26/04/2018 12:13

The property beside us has massive trees lining the boundary we share. The branches and canopy take a good chunk of our garden and put it in the shade. I hate it. I wish I could afford to loose the branches off on our side of the boundary. I believe we would be perfectly entitled to. You can't stop someone from pruning anything that hangs onto their property unless it is a listed tree.

Donotbequotingmeinbold · 26/04/2018 12:14

Lop the branches off

OliviaStabler · 26/04/2018 12:24

Why didn't they leave your trees alone if they were intending to move in the near future?

  1. To use the OP's garden while they were not there
  2. To make it appear when being sold, their property has a larger garden so they make more money.
  3. When the new owners realise that they don't own that land, the OP will be faced with that hassle and aggro, not the neighbours.
MissWilmottsGhost · 26/04/2018 12:31

It's very difficult to get new plants to grow under an old established hedge, and Leyland cypress are particularly difficult to underplant.

The branches are not going to grow back either. Or be grafted on.

I think you need to push for them to pay for a new boundary fence.

I expect they were trying to make their garden look bigger to increase the chance of a sale or the value of their property. You do need to speak to their estate agents and make sure prospective buyers are not being misled. Otherwise you may come back next harvest time and find the new neighbours have built something on your property thinking it is theirs Shock

Littlechocola · 26/04/2018 12:32

Let your daughter go Sad

Paint the neighbors house bright pink when they’re out and say sorry I thought you’d like it.

MaggieFS · 26/04/2018 12:37

I don't think taking legal action would be vindictive if it was to recover costs of putting your property back to how it was and securing it. I think given they've had three months to don't and have now said they won't, I'd be onto a solicitor quickly.

I'd also be notifying the estate agent or future owner of the issues to make sure there's a problem and some form of fencing will have to go in.

And I'd be putting up some basic, cheap and bloomin ugly chicken wire in the mean time, and send them the bill (even if they won't pay yet, need to keep on that you are serious).

As for the sleepover, it does sound separate. Hard though on DD to cancel.

BadTasteFlump · 26/04/2018 12:53

I think legal action has to be the way to go. The damage could be made good pretty quickly - if they trees are dug up, removed and replaced with decent sized cypress trees which grow quickly anyway. But obviously that is an expensive job, which OP shouldn't have to pay for.

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/04/2018 12:57

I also agree taking legal action isn’t vindictive. You’re not talking about sueing all and sundry, you’re talking about a one off event.

willynillypie · 26/04/2018 13:01

CCCUUUUNNNNNNTTTTTSSSSSS Angry

  1. I would immediately get a letter from a solicitor. What they have done is definitely illegal - usually a letter is enough to kick people up the arse and you won't have to pursue.

  2. Sleepover I would probably cancel. I realise it's mean but I wouldn't want my child around someone with negative feelings towards me. Unless you can get it moved to your house.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/04/2018 13:02

You can't stop someone from pruning anything that hangs onto their property unless it is a listed tree. Or an unlisted tree in a Conservation Area. (UK of course)

JaneyEJones · 26/04/2018 13:08

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MereDintofPandiculation · 26/04/2018 13:09

I liked the idea a PP had of shrubs / hedging to fill in the gaps. Would that work? You'd have to buy grown up ones which would be expensive, but it sounds like the best way to regain what you've lost. No it wouldn't work, they wouldn't establish close to the even bigger cypresses which are currently there.

Large trees cost several thousand pounds each. If anyone were to consider spending that money, they be giving them the best possible start be removing all the existing trees first.

SavageBeauty73 · 26/04/2018 13:19

My jaw actually dropped.

Cancel sleepover.

Get legal advice ASAP. Have they got spare keys? Sounds like they're the type to use your house while you are away.

MachineBee · 26/04/2018 13:36

Cancel the sleepover and do something nice with your DD instead.

Get legal advice ASAP.

They have shown how much your friendship means to them so no need for you to go gently with this.

Agree to need to put up some sort of boundary marker too. The CCTV cameras, can you put something in a window inside your house? They wouldn’t be able sabotage it then (unless they have a key, in which case you need to change the locks too).

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 13:41

Sorry folks, diagram will have to wait. I’m bushed. Other local mates came around and were incensed on our behalf when they heard the developments. They’ve confirmed that in our country, no caveats are possible over their property due to neighbour disputes.

Just enough energy to thank you for so many thoughtful responses, and to answer a technical question about the trees position, relative to the boundary. The trunks are a couple of feet from the boundary, on our side. Same around the rest of the property. Enough space for neighbours to cut into any overhanging branches on their side, without hurting the tree or our privacy. Instead, they’ve cut off all branches, all the way around, to over 2mtrs. Hope that answers it.

Gotta sleep now, but happy to read any more ideas in morning (my time zone). Thanks again. Happy day to you all.

OP posts:
emmyrose2000 · 26/04/2018 14:03

Don't do the sleepover

Take legal action.

Inform the real estate agent that you'll be informing any prospective buyers of the situation should you see them during viewings.

One other thought - if you take legal action against the CFs, and they refuse/can't pay, could you put a lien on their property, or at least threaten too? That might wake them up a bit!

honeysucklejasmine · 26/04/2018 16:05

So, effectively you've gone from this style of tree line to the "lollipop" style?

Outrageous. I would be very angry and very upset.

To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?
To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?
ZoeWashburne · 26/04/2018 16:22

Putting in fencing ASAP that is god awful with "no trespassing" signs is really the best solution. Then move back to your other house. It will be amazing how a nice fence will magic itself on their property to block the view once they want it to go on the market.

MachineBee · 26/04/2018 17:09

I would with the lawyers. Although property law is different, country to country, I’m sure the basic principles of trespass and criminal damage still apply where ever you are.