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AIBU?

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To chalk this up as CFery, and cancel the sleepover?

204 replies

Skittlesandbeer · 26/04/2018 04:34

Backstory: we live 9 months a year in an urban centre, 3 months each year we move to the country to bring in a harvest at our small farm.

We have a great relationship with our all our farm neighbours, and try hard to be good community members even though we are crazy busy when we are at the farm (as we are now). Our next-door neighbours have become quite close with us in recent years, due to us having DDs the same age (7) who adore each other.

Last summer, unbeknownst to us, they decided to heavily ‘prune’ the row of 25yo bushy cypress trees which form the ‘fence’ between our properties, about 15 trees. Basically they stripped all the lower branches, to over 2 metres from the ground, think lollipops. It effectively makes it look like one property, rather than two, and took away a lot of our privacy as well as wind-protection and gave us line of sight to a busy road.

The trees were originally planted on our side of the boundary (trunks), with large branches on either side. The neighbours needed to be on our property to complete half the job, and a big 3-4 day job it would’ve been, too. They didn’t get in touch before, during or after.

When I saw it, I couldn’t believe my eyes. I actually stood there, rubbing my eyes and shaking my head in case I was seeing things. Their chickens, dogs and kids had evidently been using our garden as an extension to theirs all year. I invited her over for tea and asked her through fairly clenched teeth what had happened. She was shocked we didn’t like the new look, and seemed to expect thanks for all their hard work😧. I was quite proud at how calmly I told her that no, we were going to need them to reinstate the boundary with something equally natural (ie not some cheap metal panelling) asap. At this point she gets teary and tells me they are putting their house on the market, and are short of funds due to property improvements they’ve made. (Yeah, like the chainsaw fuel they needed to double their garden space, I thought loudly).

I stood my ground and made sure DH did the same seperately with neighbour DH. He (but not she) apologised profusely, said ‘it made sense to do it at the time, but now that you explain it, I can see we did the wrong thing’. He is a builder by trade so we agreed he would consider the fencing options, and get back to us. We tried to look at it as a ‘spilt milk’ situation, and got on with our harvest.

Fast forward 2 months. We’re nearing the end of our farm work, kids have been playing together a lot, families sharing food, help, excursions, etc. A few times we’ve raised the fence topic, looking to get it resolved before they formally put their house up for sale, so we don’t have randoms walking through our property when we’re not here. Vague nodding from them. Today I go over to get firm confirmation of the plan, and timings. She squares off at me and states that they will not be doing or paying anything towards the fence, that they were completely justified in what they did, that we should stop pestering them about it when they’ve got so much on their plates (designing their new house) and anyway, we’re hardly ever here to use our garden so why are we making such an unreasonable fuss?

I’m stood there like Shock then burst into tears and run off home. I’m usually so capable and practical and calm, but she’s ruined my lovely private garden, devalued my property, patently waited until I’m trying to finalise our business and pack up the house to drop this bombshell. Admittedly I’m exhausted and stressed, and fairly ‘peopled out’.

The girls have a long-awaited sleepover at theirs on Saturday, before we leave Monday. AIBU to fake an excuse to cancel it (with all the drama it’ll cause with the girls) and add further bad feeling? I just want a quiet few days to figure out what to do with these CFs, and finish my work. I thought they were sane, and friends. Unless of course we’ve been unreasonable too?

OP posts:
EmmaGrundyForPM · 26/04/2018 07:21

TuTru CF = Cheeky Fucker

Roussette · 26/04/2018 07:22

Mummyoflittledragon yes I agree, they went about it totally the wrong way.

Skittles has the subject of the boundary trees ever come up before?

yawning801 · 26/04/2018 07:25

Can you put up a fence yourself and ask for a financial contribution towards it?

Veterinari · 26/04/2018 07:26

I’d suggest you speak to neighbour DH - he sounds more reasonable. Point out that they’ve trespassed and damaged your property and are now planning on leaving - after opening your garden up to further potential trespass by new buyers. They agreed to erect a fence and you would like them to stand by that agreement. Actually i’d be tempted to get a solicitor to write to them outlining this.

Donthate · 26/04/2018 07:29

Get a builder round to do a quote for a large fence and do it yourselves.

OliviaStabler · 26/04/2018 07:30

I agree they shouldn't have gone ahead without running it past you. But you are never there, and don't really live there from what you are saying. Yes, they should put it right now but I just think they are ther 365 days of the year and your trees probably impacted on their property. Of course they should not have trespassed to do this, they should have run it past you first.

It does not matter if the OP is there 1 day or 365. it does not matter if the 'tress impacted on their property'. I suspect the only thing they cared about is increasing the value of their sale by implying that part of the OP's garden was theirs and let her pick up the pieces with the new owners when they insist it is theirs (we've seen enough of those type of threads on MN).

It is clear this family never had any intention or righting the damage they did.

Cancel the sleepover. You're never going to see them again anyway.

snewname · 26/04/2018 07:34

Would they have shaded their garden?

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/04/2018 07:34

Rousette
I saw your post just above mine. I get that you would have discussed it first. I also wondered if they’d previously discussed the trees. But if they were a problem, usually the issue is height unless the base seriously encroached on the neighbours land. Hence my question as to how far they were planted from the physical boundary.

tombstoneteeth · 26/04/2018 07:37

Also not in the UK, but had the same thing happen - in my absence, new neighbours came over and cut down my beautiful patch of native bush and tree ferns - which had been there for decades, and which I loved. They denied any knowledge, but could only have accessed my property through theirs (which they wanted to rent out and therefore to get better light) Cui bono. I went to the police, a young copper came and chatted to them, but they continued steadfastly to deny that they knew anything. Very frustrating. At least your neighbours admit what they did and you have the satisfaction of a caveat on the title. I am so sorry this happened to you-trees take so long to recover from such an assault - approaching 70, I have no hope of ever seeing my trees return to their original glory.

Deshasafraisy · 26/04/2018 07:37

You’re being too soft with them. Time to toughen up and insist they correct the damage. I wouldn’t do the sleep over now.

DairyisClosed · 26/04/2018 07:38

Clearly she is the one who wanted to cut the trees and her husband only did it to make her happy. Go find her husband. Tell him that if they don't fix it by the end of next month you will be suing them.

honeysucklejasmine · 26/04/2018 07:39

I think I'd put up the ugliest damn fence I could find, and set up a cheap WiFi enabled camera in a spot that can see the fence, so you can check it's still there when you have gone. (And phone them immediately if they dare go near it).

I'd also contact the estate agents and complain, making clear you will be holding them responsible if they allow buyers to be misled on the ownership of your garden.

Aprilmightbemynewname · 26/04/2018 07:40

No sleepover
Yes solicitor

DairyisClosed · 26/04/2018 07:40

Or just put up the ugliest fence you can find to devalue their property and teach them a lesson.

eddielizzard · 26/04/2018 07:42
  • they knew you wouldn't agree so they didn't ask
  • they wanted the run of your garden while you weren't there
  • they wanted to make their garden look bigger and increase their resale value
  • they had no intention of installing a fence

they have written off your friendship. selling their property and using yours is more important to them than your friendship. i'd be fucking fuming.

Troels · 26/04/2018 07:44

Cancel the sleepover and put up some CCTV that you can access from your home in the city to see just how much des go on and what they are actually doing on your property.
Email her that you are still very upset at her attitude, that she has ruined your trees and refuses to fence the border, so the sleepover is canceled as you cannot bring yourself to speak to her right now.

Personwithhorse · 26/04/2018 07:46

If they are Leylandi Cyprus I doubt if they will grow back at the bottom, you could get a tree surgeon to advise. You might have to get them to chop down and replant and bill neighbours.

If these people are such CFs it might be best not to damage sale prospects you need to get rid!

crabb · 26/04/2018 07:48

I too doubt the branches will grow back low down. Fuming on your behalf OP.

Orangecake123 · 26/04/2018 07:50

I would cancel the sleepover. There's no need to be nice if this is how they act.

See a solicitor for the damages.

Orchardgreen · 26/04/2018 07:50

I would keep a careful eye on the photos that the estate agents post. They might make it look as though your garden is actually theirs. In which case you will need to correct them.

snewname · 26/04/2018 07:54

How big is this boundary line? Will it be expensive to fence nicely?

Juells · 26/04/2018 07:56

I'd also contact the estate agents and complain, making clear you will be holding them responsible if they allow buyers to be misled on the ownership of your garden.

oooh, good idea.

If OP puts up CCTV won't the neighbours just block or vandalise it? She's dealing with people who don't give a shit about other's rights.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 26/04/2018 07:56

I would cancel the sleepover - 7 year olds are not going to be scarred for life if a sleepover doesn't happen.
More importantly, you need legal advice - you want it all laid out clearly and legally before you get new neighbours and further issues.
You should establish immediately whether there is the equivalent of the neighbour dispute system, in your country and if so, use it. No more messing about now - you need legal help.
I suspect that if she gets threatened with you suing her for the cost of replacement trees, plus the fact she will need to pay her solicitor and it may impact her sale, she will find the money for fencing!
Remember, she may not have easy cash flow or she might be lying, but she does have money tied up in her house and sje is not going to want to sell it and have to give a big chunk to you and her solicitor.

TammyWhyNot · 26/04/2018 07:56

The problem is, fences are expensive and time consuming to put up. This doesn’t sound like a short suburban garden boundary!

I would put up a wire line on the boundary, and maybe plan to plant a line of bushes / shrubs / fruit bushes in the gaps, to make a hedge.

tessieandoz · 26/04/2018 07:57

Please don't cancel the sleepover it would punish only the girls and may even worsen your chances of resolving the tree dispute.

I do feel for you
Flowers