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AIBU to be extremely proud of Justine Roberts & Mumsnet right now?

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EmpressOfJurisfiction · 15/04/2018 00:41

Open access link. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=ade388be59ac427155003eff83c5158c

“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said.

“A significant minority of our users feel very strongly about women’s rights and very uneasy [about the proposals]. This is an issue that needs to be discussed and that’s why we’re prepared to take any potential advertising hit.”

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entropynow · 15/04/2018 21:27

Proud?
HELL NO. They, you and everyone here should be shamed of yourselves Just proves my long-thought point that this place is transphobia central and designed to be so by the founders, despite all their mealymouthed emails
Suicidal persecuted trans people? Hey, who cares about them, right? Let em die.
Good bye. This is no place for decent people.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 15/04/2018 21:28

TGLWGH

SianRunner · 15/04/2018 21:32

Absolutely.

When they go low, we go high. #TGLWGH

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 15/04/2018 21:33

I've been enjoying the comments too.

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OddBoots · 15/04/2018 21:33

You have the right to a different view entropynow, once upon a time several of us here thought in a way more like your view, just because we changed our minds it doesn't mean you have to.

Sillydoggy · 15/04/2018 21:34

Thank you for standing up for free speech!

nemno · 15/04/2018 21:45

Well done Justine. Heartfelt thanks to all at Mumsnet.

busyboysmum · 15/04/2018 21:47

Yes I'm afraid it's the aggressive tactics of the male rights activists (sorry I mean TAs) that has polarised my views in this issue.

IreneWinters · 15/04/2018 21:48

Justine, you rock! Flowers

TheDailyMailLovesTheEUReally · 15/04/2018 21:56

This is NOT about denying trans people their right to dress as they choose or use whichever names and pronouns they choose. It's about ensuring that the safe spaces and protected characteristics for biological women are protected rather than being razed in the name of "inclusivity".

I find it baffling that a small group of trans-activists seem determined to silence the very group that they are insistent upon joining. I also find it baffling that it's fine for a small group of trans-activists to create "safe spaces" exclusively for trans-people to discuss their lived experiences, yet attempting to discuss issues relating to the lived experience of being a biological woman are somehow transphobic and exclusionary! Being a woman is apparently no more than an "innate feeling"...

TerfsUp · 15/04/2018 21:58

I find it baffling that a small group of trans-activists seem determined to silence the very group that they are insistent upon joining

I don't, to be honest, as I find most TRAs to be misogynists.

RetroTardigrade · 15/04/2018 22:07

Thanks and Flowers

Mamaryllis · 15/04/2018 22:10

lol birdsdestiny. Thank YOU too Grin

Mamaryllis · 15/04/2018 22:13

Justine for leadership of the Real WEP. Provisional WEP? Peoples Front of WEP?
Grin

ohfourfoxache · 15/04/2018 22:18

Justine, thank you. I’m really grateful to you. Proud doesn’t cover it Thanks

Melamin · 15/04/2018 22:27

This is brilliant.

Flowers Justine, and
Flowers to the Mumnet team who transcend all this blackmailing bullying crap to make it work.

#TGLWGH

HereComesTheSun2 · 15/04/2018 22:27

I'm very grateful to Mumsnet for allowing this discussion to take place. It really shouldn't be a big deal to allow women to talk about the political issues that affect them but, with this one, it really is.

I have wondered what my views would be and what I would be doing now if I hadn't stumbled onto Mumsnet - and I really did just stumble here by chance some time ago. I was googling for information on something and it led me to a thread in one of the forums. From there, I started getting engrossed in all the AIBU threads and then, over time, started seeing stuff about self-ID which at first I just had a knee jerk reaction against as being transphobic but, over time, I actually started paying attention to what was being said and it made sense.

As a member of the LGBT community I was seeing some of the issues first hand and there was a lot of cognitive dissonance involved but I just ignored it for a long time, because this was the progressive 'pro-LGBT' stance and because I had known and lived alongside so many traditional transsexuals without any problems - I just thought that I knew from experience that there was no reason to be concerned.

Hearing the views of other women on here helped me to make sense of what I was starting to see in real life (e,g. males who lived as men for most of the week but identified as a lesbian part-time to attend lesbian and bisexual women's groups) ie how the trans umbrella had been expanded so far beyond traditional transsexuals to include other groups such as cross dressers.

The way women have been silenced on this issue and the glee with which so many men (particularly right-on lefty men) have belittled women's concerns and hurled abuse at women who speak up has really opened my eyes to the levels of misogyny in society. Although I would have always said I was a feminist, I wasn't a particularly active one, but this has inspired me to get involved and I am now a member of an (off-line) feminist group and want to get a lot more involved in feminism in future. I have also distanced myself from the LGBT community which I have been part of for over 20 years which has been difficult but I have become more and more concerned about what I have been seeing. From being an obsessive AIBU reader, I now mainly frequent the feminism forum, which it didn't even occur to me to look at when I first came here. I'd like to think that I would have come to this conclusion eventually myself but it is such a complicated area and there is so much misinformation about it I don't know whether I would.

Thank-you Mumsnet. Flowers

CriticalCondition · 15/04/2018 22:39

Another lurker coming out to say a huge thank you to Justine and MNHQ for standing up for free speech. Flowers Flowers

I stumbled across the self ID issue by idly clicking on an active thread a few weeks ago. I had no idea then what it was all about - but I do now. Thanks to the intelligence, articulacy and knowledge of those posting there with patience and compassion. A big thank you to them too. Flowers Flowers

I've followed links, read parliamentary reports, looked at what goes on Twitter Shock. It's been an education.

I'm sure there are many, many more like me who have not posted on the threads but have quietly learned, formed a view and are taking action in real life.

This stuff matters. Thank you.

Aeroflotgirl · 15/04/2018 22:45

Well done, don't back down. They are bullies, it is eroding democracy and free speech. Notice that these transactions are transwomen. No respect for women or their rights, they just want to trample all over them.

CanIBuffalo · 15/04/2018 22:46

Thank you Justine. Proud of you.

Catmint · 15/04/2018 22:46

Thank you MNHQ and Justine.

We stand together for the right to debate.

InflagranteDelicto · 15/04/2018 22:48

Thank you. Another quiet poster with many concerns. Thank you for keeping this a place of free speech and debate. Mn has widened my world and may it continue to do so. Gin

Stilettosandan0venglove · 15/04/2018 22:51

I'm a long time lurker, reader of AIBU, product reviews and parenting stuff. Finally joined up after finding out about self ID.

So impressed with Mumsnet for hosting the debate.

SpringNowPlease2018 · 15/04/2018 22:55

Thank you MN. So much appreciated.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 15/04/2018 22:57

Just another reminder about the petition.
It hit 10,200 signatures today and it could always use more
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

If you feel able to, please share too.