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To cancel on my friends who never visit me or just want a free lunch

238 replies

Ginchihuahua · 14/04/2018 23:32

I moved from the city I lived and to uni in last June to a more rural area 30 mins train ride away. I still work in the city so commute daily each day by car which is an hour each way.

I have a group of uni friends, there are 4 of us all together that always met regularly. Since moving I have invited them over on 4 occasions for housewarming, my birthday etc they have declined each time instead suggesting to meet in the city.

I invited them over this Sunday, without asking me they invited their kids & husbands bumping the number to 7. I had planned to cook a roast however had to explain my small cottage cant seat 7 and suggested booking a pub lunch. They cancelled stating they couldnt afford a pub lunch (we are all in the same profession a £12 lunch is easily affordable for us).

However straight after suggested meeting in the city for lunch instead. I begrudgingly agreed. However frankly I feel like cancelling.
Im upset this has happened everytime they have been invited and it seems they were only visiting if they got a free lunch. I cant see how money is an issue if they are paying for lunch in the city!

Commuting 5 days a week is tiring enough without doing it on a Sunday too! What do you all think? Should I cancel? Ditch my friends entirely? Or suck it up and go tomorrow?

OP posts:
ZaZathecat · 15/04/2018 10:40

I think YAB a bit U.
It's one thing making the effort to travel out of town to spend time at your house, but if they're all coming out of town on the train to go for a meal in a restaurant I can see why they'd think 'might as well do it in town then'.
And, if you didn't specifically say 'it'll just be us 4 friends' it's natural they would assume partners/dc are invited on a Sunday.

Deerdear · 15/04/2018 10:41

The more you post, the more it sounds as though your lives are growing apart.

PugwallsSummer · 15/04/2018 10:43

YANBU

I don't really see why they couldn't just stick to the original plan, and I think it was rude of them to invite their husbands and children along if that's not the usual arrangement and you hadn't suggested it yourself.

It's not in the slightest bit odd to organise a Sunday activity without the rest of the family! I would welcome a few hours to do my own thing on the occasional weekend. Fair enough not EVERY weekend, but from time to time a day out with my friends & no kids or husbands is bliss.

Notonthestairs · 15/04/2018 10:47

I think you missed a trick - if you'd had them all round and cobbled together a lunch (any lunch, sandwiches on your lap and a bit of cake) then you original wish would have been fulfilled as they would have seen your house, had some fun, recognised it is an easy journey but maybe the house isn't ideal for everyone and gone home on the train saying "we must come again, next time let's do it without the husbands, children etc".
I have friends who I will travel to visit because - even when things go wrong and things aren't perfect - they enjoy hosting.

Whocansay · 15/04/2018 10:48

I don't think you really understand how different your lives are now and what it means to have children. You seem to have no empathy for them at all, you are just thinking about how things affect you. I think YABU, but you can't see it.

seven201 · 15/04/2018 10:53

Getting children to yours then carting them off to a pub then getting home to get ready for the week really isn't fun. I think you're overreacting a bit. I too moved out of my town and my friends rarely come to me. It's just one of those things.

ShastaBeast · 15/04/2018 10:57

People are different, I don’t see the problem leaving my family at home to visit a friend, weekend or evening. I felt left out when I had kids as friends didn’t invite me. I also know some mums don’t like spending time away from young kids and a friend said I was her only mum friend who still met up - she’s single and has no kids. Things will change when you have kids too, you’ll better understand the challenges. DH declined a visit to his family after they suggested a cafe instead of visiting their home, far too stressful even with older kids.

Is it possible you’re friends feel uncomfortable visiting as this new place is also too “posh”.

Aspergallus · 15/04/2018 10:59

OP, you sound very much like someone I know, not a peer but a younger woman I work with. She too lives out of the way in a small cottage and is probably the last of her peer group to be without children. She often complains about lack of effort from her friends while suggesting that she does understand how things are when you have children...

As an outsider I can see that her expectations are off and she (like everyone who hasn't actually had children explode their lives) really doesn't understand how life changes when you have kids.

She cant really see that when kids are really young, often weekends are more exhausting than weekdays...especially if you are trying to keep your kids safe/under control/fed&watered in someone else's house, or a pub/cafe/restaurant you aren't familiar with (there's good reason people stick with favourites at this life stage)...

She doesn't seem to realise that a massive portion of her friends income is now committed to childcare, so known places with cheap deals and food that will definitely be eaten are preferable...

She doesn't realise that inviting friends with children to travel any longish distance to visit will completely mess up napping routines (young kids often fall asleep on train/car journeys whether it is their usual time to or not) and leave the parents with a sleepless night later...

She doesn't understand that some small children have very early waking times and after the working week both parents take turns for a lie in at weekends to cope with this stage...meaning no one is really going to enjoy an early start to set off in a long journey in time for lunch.

Essentially she doesn't understand that her friends lives are now driven by these tiny bosses and that if she wants to maintain these friendships she needs to take her lead from what they feel they can manage. At least until children are a little older and it's more common for each parent to take a break...largely because the DCs growing independence means this break isn't too burdonsome for the parent left behind.

Instead, she invites them round, enjoying setting the table for dinner and preparing things in a adult way not really understanding a lot of these niceties are lost when you are just doing what is safe, necessary and practical around children. She does try to accommodate the children without really taking a lead from the parents and misses the mark.

I wonder if your friends anticipated that the get together wasn't really going to work for them and as soon as you started to indicate that too, they simply took this as a get out clause to allow them to suggest something more practical.

None of this is personal, don't make it this way, and hopefully you'll still have these friendships as life moves on. The younger woman I know takes this very personally and feels let down...when really it's all just a question of practicality. Her angst is unnecessary.

RoundaboutSnail · 15/04/2018 11:05

Obviously children make a difference. However this isn't always about who has children or not. If you move, some friends don't make an effort to keep in touch or visit, even if you and they are single and without children. Others do and those are valuable good friendships.

W0rriedMum · 15/04/2018 11:14

It seems strange to invite friends with husbands and kids to lunch on a Sunday and not invite the whole family.
Agree.
Small children and Sunday pub lunches don't really mix. It's too busy and not enough space, so it becomes purely functional - eating and going home.
When you were cooking, it was going to be more relaxed. Take turns entertaining the kids in spacious surroundings before having a lovely yummy lunch.
But take a long train with kids (more than 15 mins is long with kids) to sit in a packed pub for lunch? I wouldn't either.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/04/2018 11:16

Aspergallus
What you are saying makes a lot of sense. Idk if op will listen because she really thinks she knows what it’s like but in reality has shown she doesn’t have a clue! For a start off saying her friends mostly work p/t and their partners work shifts made me giggle. Cos of course the rest of the time, they’re at the spa and the kids will follow the shift patterns of the dhs to accommodate feeding, naps and bed time routines. Wink

Sammy901 · 15/04/2018 11:17

Mydoghatesthebath

My partner also works all weekConfused and I also have 2 young kids so I perfectly understand the ‘logistics’ of kids Hmm

There is still no reason why once in a while that people with kids can’t meet there friends on a Sunday and let the partner look after the kids. It’s complete bull shit to say otherwise.

Willow2017 · 15/04/2018 11:23

Considering ops friends want to meet at weekends as they have said thier husbands can look after kids its not unreasonable of op to not expect them to bring husbands and kids to her house.

throwcushions · 15/04/2018 11:24

It also sounds like you place a lot of importance on your home OP and really want to show it off. I know a few people like this. I don't really get it and it's possible your friends don't either. So they don't realise that them coming to your house is so important to you and got the vibe that you didn't want to host when you told them that you'd all have to go to the pub instead. Especially if you seemed pissed off when you said it.

Flomper · 15/04/2018 11:26

you can easily afford a £15 pub lunch. For them its atbleast £60 if they have 2 kids, and they may be paying up to 2k a month in childcare costs that you aren't. I too think youre being very unrealistic about the lives of people with small children. You should meet these friends for dinner in the week when youre all already in the city.

AntiHop · 15/04/2018 11:27

Could you invite them and their families round for afternoon tea? Then you just have to provide tea and cake.

RoundaboutSnail · 15/04/2018 11:31

throwcushions it's not abnormal to invite friends to your home, it's a welcoming and hospitable offer. It doesn't mean the OP wants to "show off".

Chathamhouserules · 15/04/2018 11:35

My dh and I occasionally each take a day to ourselves at the weekend to visit a friend on our own. It's great! I find it odd that so many wouldn't consider it.
I wouldn't travel into the city for lunch. Id cancel saying I'm tired from all the commuting. It's a shame they haven't bothered to visit. I always try and visit a friends new house if invited.
I'd lower my expectations with this group of friends. Maybe just catch up a couple of times a year. And find new friends!
Or maybe one last invite over the summer when maybe you can spread out to garden if they really can't leave family for one day.

Lacucuracha · 15/04/2018 11:44

It's not about money for them, it's control.

You say your town was too posh for them. Do they think you're a bit posh too? Maybe this is their way of bringing you down a peg or two?

The next time you meet them, be honest and tell them you feel like you do all the running. If they get defensive then they have an issue with you. If they acknowledge that there may be some truth to it and they will make more effort, then the friendships are salvageable.

Viviennemary · 15/04/2018 11:45

If you don't feel like going then don't go. But I don't think they were unreasonable to cancel the other time as they thought they were coming to you and instead they were forking out for a pub lunch. And really even if your cottage was a bit crowded for a few hours would it be the end of the world. They're not staying for a month. And I agree if you don't want all their DC;s there it would be better to meet in the evening.

purplelila2 · 15/04/2018 11:48

OP
this "To clarify location they are all walking distance (within 20 mins) of the city train station"

a 20 minute walk each way is 40 mins and not easy with small kids. This makes you sound even more unreasonable.

That walk plus the train journey even without kids would be a no from me.

I'm sorry but you can't understand what it's like to have kids until you actually have them, you think you might but you don't.

Lacucuracha · 15/04/2018 11:50

The issue is that the 4 friends always meet as a group.

It's rude of them to change the routine and invite their partners and children. Totally changes the dynamic of the get together, and especially on OP's birthday, who always falls in with plans the others make for their birthdays.

PugwallsSummer · 15/04/2018 11:57

The OP doesn't really need to consider the impact of inviting children to her house for lunch because she didn't actually invite them. The normal arrangement is a get-together of friends without husbands and children tagging along. Her friends presumed to change this arrangement with seemingly no discussion beforehand with the OP. I can't understand why the OP is being made to be the unreasonable one by so many. It's not her job to accommodate other people's children, unless she specifically planned for them to be there - which she didn't.

PugwallsSummer · 15/04/2018 12:01

And regards the inconvenience of travel with children - the OP's friends made the choice to bring their children on the train in the first place. This was not suggested by the OP, who was not expecting to have to host the children and husbands.

Chathamhouserules · 15/04/2018 12:30

*a 20 minute walk each way is 40 mins and not easy with small kids. This makes you sound even more unreasonable.

That walk plus the train journey even without kids would be a no from me.

I'm sorry but you can't understand what it's like to have kids until you actually have them, you think you might but you don't.*
But the op didn't invite the children originally. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a group of friends to take a 30 min train ride to see a friend's new house and leave their kids with their husbands for a few hours.

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