To wish fab Nicola was our PM

[jnfrrss]

Her thoughts this morning

My first thoughts this morning are with service personnel called to action. Syria’s use of chemical weapons is sickening - but the question that the PM has not answered is how this action, taken without parliamentary approval, will halt their use or bring long term peace. #Syria

Re the endless exam changes - upthread - this is happening in Scotland too. I’m onto my third child going through the SQA system, and as far as I can see it’s being increasingly dumbed down. A good part of these exams are pre-prepared and replicated ‘under exam conditions’ - eg essays in History. Or the questions that will come up are so predictable (English), that they can be pre-prepared anyway.

Teachers and Doctors are leaving in Scotland too. Maybe it’s worse in England, but it’s not good here. And those people that are still working in the NHS are struggling to cope with the strain of it.

Scotland is being destroyed by the SNP.

Another one in Scotland here who wishes to God we could get rid of Nicola and the SNP. And yet my well educated and intelligent best friend up here thinks Nicola is doing a great job! The fact that everyone of her sound bites are anti Tory and anti English wins her a lot of support, regardless of their content

Fab Nicola?????? .......

The UK is being destroyed by PM May. She’s only in power because of her diabolical alliance with the DUP. NHS, Education, Public Services are starved on investment - and it doesn’t seem to trouble the PM one bit. Worse - no plan for recovery at all.
I’ve lived in Scotland and England and experienced education in both. According to posters on here nobody has it right and any ‘positive’ experience in either country can be countered by a ‘positive’ experience in the other.

I've just been involved in a lovely debate on FB where I've been personally abused, called a cretin, traitor and an idiot as well as being told I shouldn't be allowed to live in Scotland as I don't support independence.
Nice eh?

I’m sure that people have the same experience in reverse. Shame we can’t dissgree civilly

Sadly I haven't seen any evidence of that on the thread in question. It's nothing like the abuse I received in 2014 but worrying nonetheless.

Never mind, at least the support for the SNP and independence is dwindling, so they might be out on their arse fairly soon. Horrible divisive politics.

Queen

These "keyboard warriors" are a disgrace - I have come off a number of forums (fora?) because the personal abuse over nothing is beyond vile - all they are there for is to be foul-mouthed and derogatory.

And before anyone wonders - no, it wasn't abuse that was directed at me, it was at anyone and everyone who made a comment they didn't agree with.

A thread would start off with an exchange of genuine comments/opinions, and very soon descend into the vilest of personal abuse. When one person says to another "I hope your children get cancer", it is just disgusting!

I know she is a divisive figure but if the SG wasn’t forced into a position of sinking so much resources in to mitigate Westminster decisions particularly around benefits, then we’d be in a better position re infrastructure etc.
I agree with her statements about Syria. The PM’s decisions are neither justified nor democratic.

@jnfrrss it doesn't matter that she's thoughtful, passionate or well educated. She's doing a terrible job in scotland. However likeable and competent she is on a personal level (and I believe she is both), she is not doing a good job as FM and I wouldn't trust her to lead the UK.

Hulamelody, I think you will find the PMs actions were absolutely lawful and democratic. She has a mandate to lead the Government unlike NS who is NOT a member of parliament and therefore has no mandate in the UK parliament at all

Without RUK the SG would have a lot less money to invest in anything at all. The SG gets to mitigate benefit cuts now because of rUK money and if we were independent we’d be proper stuffed, with worse austerity than RUK has seen.

As it is, we can put taxes up a tiny bit whilst still benefiting from money flowing in from British taxpayers.

All this debate misses very important points that Scotland has more money because of RUK, the SNP ought to have better services than RUK now because of the extra money they have, and not really much to do with the SNP.

In fact, saying scottish nhs and education is better because of the SNP and not because of the extra money is

Is this the kind of experience in reverse you’re talking about Saltire?

Maybe this helps to clarify

These are many examples of vile abuse uncovered by the Sunday Herald which has been directed against SNP members, politicians, supporters and anyone in favour of independence by unionist opponents

Among the most shocking cases is that of tennis star Andy Murray: an open supporter of Scottish independence, he was told by one Twitter user he should have been killed during the Dunblane massacre for being an "anti-British hypocrite". He was a pupil at the school at the time of the attack

The New Statesman
“For many independence supporters, suspicions that the pro-union campaign had resonated with the far right were confirmed on the evening after the referendum. A group of crestfallen, mainly young independence supporters turned up at Glasgow’s George Square, where they were confronted by a group of union supporters waving Union Jacks, singing Rule Britannia and giving Nazi salutes.

Glasgow SNP councillor Austin Sheridan, who is gay, was at the City Chambers that day, an imperial building on George Square. He left the building to see what was going on. “All of a sudden a guy came up and shouted at me,” he remembers. A video he made on his phone shows middle-aged men calling him “fucking poofter” and “nationalist scum”

Sheridan believes the homophobic attack was “clearly organised”. He says: “The group of people arrived at the square all at the same time”

There are hooligans on both sides - let’s try and remember that.

Very true. Still can't stick Nicola.

Yes, saltire saltire, but the point of the OP was how wonderful Nicola is.
Just because many of us don’t think she/ the SNP are wonderful- don’t derail the thread.

Nicola has no real power, and so can say what she likes. I’d be more impressed if she supported the PM in difficult decisions- rather than taking every opportunity to point score. The PM was very clear about the point of the air strikes in Syria. It’s shameful that Nicola is hi-jacking a serious and horrible situation to her own ends.

Picasso
I’m not derailing the thread. I’m responding to previous posters! Maybe you only like one side heard.

May made her point - but Sturgeon and Corbyn are making the point that we need to act with the elected Parliament - not outwith it! There also has to be a plan for a peaceful resolution. Not unreasonable in a Democracy.

Sick to the back teeth of the "whataboutery". There are nasty nationalists. There are nasty unionists. That's not what the thread is about.

And if we're derailing the thread, I'd like to derail it by complaining that the nationalists have stolen my country's flag and misappropriated it for their own ends. There is no way on earth now that I would be comfortable wearing/owning anything with a Saltire on it. They have made it into a political statement and that makes me both very sad, and very cross.

Completely agree re the Saltire @FleurDelacoeur. Bloody annoys me.

Me too @FleurDelacoeur.

I actually like Nicola and working in education I am aware if the miatakes/issues made by the SNP and by Labour/lib dems before. I think people focus on what they dont like about a party be it conservative, SNP, labour etc. Often looking past the good they may have achieved.
I'm glad I live in Scotland and very glad we do not have/had some of the other leaders of the opposition.
For a party that almost all media are against they do pretty well in the polls. Will we see change in party at the next elections? Who knows that's for the voters to decide.
In answer to the op if you feel you like the way she comes across then you get to think what you like. There may be better leaders around but there are also many that are far worse.

Fleur
Many feel exactly the same way about how the Union Flag has been used and abused - hijacked by the far right and new nazi groups.

Like I say - best to look at both sides of any situation.

Is this a joke?

Can’t stand the woman. Also Mairi Black. SNP in general. Tearing the country apart. I’d feel safer in the hands of Mr Bean than Sturgeon.