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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

About the whole 'marriage thing'?

322 replies

plummanjelly · 12/04/2018 11:17

I've name changed for this because it's gonna be super outing.

I'm 27 and partner is 30. We've been together 7 years, since very early 20's. Quite a laid back relationship for most of the time (given our young ages, tumultuous early careers, time out for further study etc.) but in the past year has got a bit more serious (on my insistence - his philosophy is just to let things happen in their own time). I've moved into his flat (rented), attended some family weddings etc.

All this time we've got on well, we connect, understand each other, he's a huge feminist (important to me) and generally have a great laugh. He's generous, kind and supportive, his family are lovely.

EXCEPT - its been 7 years, and since we're happy and definitely know we don't want to break up or see other people, I think it's time we got married. I don't know what else there is to wait for. I'm in a good place career wise, and while there may still be some change and uncertainty (heavy travel, extended foreign postings to very challenging locations), I think this is something we can tackle together. Likewise with his career, there's a lot of uncertainty coming up but I'm happy to support him financially (if required) and otherwise and am confident that he'll come out well on the other side. Marriage will change nothing in our relationship until kids, it's just something I'd like to get out of the way sooner rather than later. We both want to have kids only after marriage, and I'd ideally want to start a family in my early 30's.

He's absolutely adamant that he will not get married right now. He feels that he's still growing as a person and doesn't want to set anything in stone just yet. He also wants to sort out his career before 'settling down'. He seems to think marriage will change something in our relationship fundamentally, that he won't be able to take risks like starting a business etc. He's also concerned that I don't want to move back to his hometown (middle of nowhere) and that I may wish to take up foreign postings and he'd be compelled to accompany me (I'm happy to move alone for periods of time). He's a believer of things happening naturally and believes that one day he will magically wake up knowing that that time is right to take the plunge. He cannot say when that time may be. 2 years ago it was in two years, now its in another 2 years etc. etc. When I bring it up, he's understanding, but can't offer any solution other than why can't we just enjoy the now instead of stressing about the future.

I'm in a state of eternal frustration because of this. I could bite the bullet walk out of an otherwise good relationship and start again, but I just can't bring myself to. I could stay and most likely remain unmarried and childless well into my 30s, also a crap option. I'm not willing to try ultimatums or emotional blackmail (suggested by friends who have successfully used these tactics) because a) it won't work and b) even if it did I really would rather not drag someone kicking and screaming down the aisle.

WWYD

OP posts:
NotUmbongoUnchained · 12/04/2018 11:44

Why is it essential?
Why waste 7 happy years for the sake of a bit of paper?

expatinscotland · 12/04/2018 11:44

What Battleaxe and Annabelle said. Please listen to them! Because you left out the other scenario that your life might take if you stay with this person: you, in your mid-40s, having compromised what you fundamentally want out of life (marriage and kids) for a person who 'wasn't ready' who then decided he was, but not with you, so ended your 20+ years relationship, found a younger woman within months, married her and she's pregnant.

He's not on the same page. That's fine. But not for you.

LP17 · 12/04/2018 11:45

@plummanjelly a couple of things - 1. You described marriage as something you want to 'get out of the way' - do you actually want to get married. Why? 2. He should know after 7 years together whether or not he wants to commit to you for life and should be able to have a conversation with you about it, at the very least.
I suspect that he will never willingly marry you. Sorry OP.

Osopolar · 12/04/2018 11:45

Marriage before children is very sensible and it's not just a piece of paper, it confers legal and financial benefits. The only time I wouldn't recommend it to a woman planning children would be if she were the higher earner (and planning to remain that way) and had the most assets.

Arapaima · 12/04/2018 11:46

Iwasjustabouttosaythat but in your case you were both able to demonstrate your commitment by having kids. OP's partner won't commit to DC either (that's how it sounds to me anyway).

Farahilda · 12/04/2018 11:47

"Why waste 7 happy years for the sake of a bit of paper?"

That 'bit of paper' is actually the record of the most important legal contracts you'll enter into. Just like a mortgage contract is a 'bit of paper' or your winning lottery ticket is 'just a bit of paper'

Talith · 12/04/2018 11:47

I'd be wanting to know his exact feelings on having children and when. That is far more time sensitive in a very real physically important way. You can argue the toss on marriage for a decade but if he puts off starting a family for a decade you may find it harder to conceive. It sounds like you have a respectful interesting life together but people can diverge and change as they grow.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 12/04/2018 11:48

Given that DP doesn't want children before marriage, if no marriage is forthcoming, OP wouldn't be ending the relationship over just marriage. It would be over the lack of children too. That's a pretty big deal.

Also, marriage is not just a piece of paper. If you assess it as that, you can't make an informed decision about whether it's for you or not. It's a legal contract.

Situp · 12/04/2018 11:49

I was in a long term relationship before I met DH. I would have said I wasn't ready for marriage but I think if I was honest with myself, it was because I knew he wasn't it for me. We split up when I took a job abroad.

DH and I moved in together within a month of meeting, got engaged after 18 months and have been happily married for 10 years.

I personally think that when it is right, you don't hesitate and if there is no other baggage or external difficulties affecting his position, then he doesn't see you as his future. Sorry Flowers

Of course I could be totally wrong and hope I am for you x

plummanjelly · 12/04/2018 11:49

You described marriage as something you want to 'get out of the way' - do you actually want to get married. Why?

I would like to have children with this man, buy a house with him, potentially consider moving to places where his career might take him. I wouldn't invest time, resources and effort into a job or a property, without a legal contract, so why in a relationship? The fact that he doesn't want it makes it feel even more vital that I get it in this relationship before committing further time.

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 12/04/2018 11:50

I can understand what he means. Since his career is in the early stages he doesn't want to feel obliged to follow you where your career take you. It sounds like you have decided your future is with him but he is not so sure he wants what you want in the travelling abroad and so on and is holding back. Which is very sensible.

chocatoo · 12/04/2018 11:51

If he doesn't love you enough to marry you when he knows how important it is to you, he doesn't love you enough. Move out and move on. If he wants you, he knows what he needs to do.

BrandNewHouse · 12/04/2018 11:52

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RideOn · 12/04/2018 11:53

I wouldn't have got married if I wasn't planning and ready to have children.
However I wouldn't have got married unless we were both "all in" and it sounds like he is not.
If you have had to push to attend family weddings and cohabit this year and he still is not entertaining marriage, I don't think he is "all in" and after 7 years that would end it for me, sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear.

PaulDacreRimsGeese · 12/04/2018 11:54

It's a difficult one because at 30, he could still be just late stage extended adolescence overgrown baby-ing. They do sometimes snap out of that by the time the mid 30s hit and he may well be up for marriage and children in the fairly near future. Or he could be going to morph into a full on manchild, or he might just not be persuaded he wants all this with you.

And before the barrage of complaints, I'm well aware that it's possible to be an actual grown up and still not want to get married, and for good reason. That's not what's happening here though.

Honestly though, the most concerning bit is probably the very different attitudes to career and relocation.

plummanjelly · 12/04/2018 11:59

They do sometimes snap out of that by the time the mid 30s hit and he may well be up for marriage and children in the fairly near future.

One concern of his is that we do break up over this, lose something good, and then very shortly afterwards he feels like all the other pieces of his life fall together and he'll want to settle down.

Sounds like a long shot, and impossible to predicts, but possible I suppose.

OP posts:
SinkGirl · 12/04/2018 11:59

Doesn’t want things to be set in stone - after seven years? I would walk away, especially if you want kids in the next few years, and especially if neither of you want kids until you’re married.

I don’t think marriage is essential but it’s the unwillingness to make things longterm and official after so long together that I wouldn’t tolerate.

Pilgit · 12/04/2018 11:59

It's a hard one. A lot of men don't understand the biological clock and the interaction that has with a career- and so why things need forward planning. It's not an issue for them so they don't get it. My sister had a similar situation at 30. She knew she wanted children and marriage first. Her boyfriend was scared of committing (lots of reeasons) so she gave him a time line and laid it out. If he wants marriage and kids with her he had a certain window. If he didn't she had to know by a years time so she could get over him and find someone knew and still have children. He didn't realise there was this time frame - he thought he could just bimble along letting things happen naturally (the thing with him though is his natural speed is glacial). For her it worked - it wasn't an ultimatum it was just the plain facts. He realised that if he wanted what he did he needed to at least reach snail pace! They are now very happily married with 2 kids.

Or he could just not want that with you and not realised it because it's comfy where he is. Relationships don't have to be shit to be over - they can still be very comfy and nice.

Talith · 12/04/2018 11:59

BrandNewHouse I've seen that scenario play out!

OP to flip it, just think you could travel the world now, meet some amazing 40 year old who is just like you and ready to start a family in 18 months from your first meeting.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 12/04/2018 12:00

Don't be like someone I know, who went on like this for 9 years with a man who 'wasn't ready'.

Only then he met someone who he was ready to commit to, and she was left high and dry and devastated, in her late 30s.
I'm not saying it's true in your case, but IMO there are plenty of men who want all the benefits of a LTR - without the commitment. They may be happy enough, but they want to be free to walk away if they feel like it/find someone they fancy more.
If this is the case, then it's time to risk the big ultimatum, IMO.

Battleax · 12/04/2018 12:01

He doesn’t have to be malicious to send you mixed messages.

Mix56 · 12/04/2018 12:02

I don't think he trusts his feelings & what will happen when you move abroad.
He wants eventually to move to his home area, you don't.
He wants to invest his time in his career.
Marriage does not make sense to him.

I think you should invest in your own property & do more things separately from him, including going to work abroad if its part of the natural progression of your career. after all, if he does end up splitting with or without another partner, your life should not be put on hold.

KatieKat88 · 12/04/2018 12:02

This is tough OP Thanks How does he feel about children? Could no marriage be a way of putting this off? I agree with the internal timetable from PP - how long would you be willing to wait for him to potentially decide it's what he wants? Completely understand about not wanting to try to force him, and what he and you want are equally important, don't settle.

DH and I were together for 7 1/2 years before he proposed... I wanted it sooner but wanted it to be what he wanted too. The difference for me was that he'd already made commitments to me, we'd bought a house together which I knew was a huge deal for him, and I knew that he did want marriage and kids (and that it would happen before kids so odds were that we'd get married late 20s). So even though it was a bit frustrating it didn't really matter because I was sure it was on the cards and he'd already made commitments that I needed to have faith in him.

Teenytinyvoice · 12/04/2018 12:02

If he doesn't love you enough to marry you when he knows how important it is to you, he doesn't love you enough.

This! If he plans to marry you eventually, why not now? You can plan a wedding in a leisurely way, enjoy being married, work out what it means for you as a couple (my husband thought I should stay home more "now we were married" - took some negotiating!), then have kids when you are ready.

If you put it off another 2 years
a) he hasn't said he will def do this
b) if you want to be married before kids, it puts that back another 2 years as well

If marriage and kids are important to you, don't fall for the sunken costs fallacy and be brave enough to move on.

diddl · 12/04/2018 12:03

"if getting married soon is the only thing I will settle for then we have to break up"

I wouldn't waste another minute with him.

Sounds as if he wants you to do the deciding though.