pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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Well bye op. It is that simple though, the elderly couple are the real victim's here.

People havent said a bad word against his children very much the opposite

But i do wish people would stop using the children to and that's anybody,travellers,media etc to dampen down acts of intimadation etc

Grrrr before preaching to others, what are you doing to help troubled kids then.

Vicar wasn't it you who said you had reported first so op said it back then it turns out op wasn't going to report and asked you not to? So you just dumped you and her in shit?

Anyway let's leave vicar in her fairy land where no one is allowed an opjnion.

I already have my hands full looking after my two kids with SN, thank you, I do not have the time and energy.

Well bye op. It is that simple though, the elderly couple are the real victim's here

It's not pie you know. If you spare a tiny bit of compassion for a dead mans children you don't have any less for the elderly folk. There's enough to go around.

Emotional blackmail is a very common tactic I was very badly bullied by a lad at school and i was told
"well we all have to make allowances as hes a foster child"

He went on to a life in and out of prison.

I think using emotional blackmail to stop victims from standing up for themselves is , at best collusion and at worst another layer of bullying and intimidation.

Anyone allowed an opinion. I don't care what that is anymore. I was trying to be the voice of reason. Now I dont give a shit! It's very liberating!

Emotional blackmail is a very common tactic I was very badly bullied by a lad at school and i was tol"well we all have to make allowances as hes a foster child"He went on to a life in and out of prison

So a probably abused and abandoned child had issues that were never resolved...shocker! Its not emotional blackmail to have compassion for people who have suffered, even when they have done bad things.

Aeroflot girl - quite a lot actually. That's why I'm so passionate about it all. It's my day job to work with the people other people hate. And you'd be surprised how vulnerable they r deep down. What horrendous lives they've lived, and how much they have had to cut-off and switch off their empathy and humanity just to survive.

Where is the humanity from this family of career criminals who are currently threatening an old man and celebrating that an elderly disabled woman can't return to her home? How much did HV care about his kids? He was prepared to regularly be separated from them for years at a time through his numerous prison sentences. Maybe he should have considered his children before continuing to be a disgusting thug who specialised in terrorising the vulnerable? And his father? Read his rap sheet. He dragged his beloved son up into his life of crime. If he wants to blame anyone for his death he should look in the mirror.

I was trying to be the voice of reason

Er... ok then.

Where is the humanity from this family of career criminals who are currently threatening an old man and celebrating that an elderly disabled woman can't return to her home?

They don't have much of it. But aren't you better than them? Try to be, anyway.

At what point do we switch from feeling sorry for a little kid being brought up in a terrible home with awful parents, to loathing them as the criminal they inevitably became? When is that? 8? 12? 15?

I think at 37 it's okay to loathe them really.

Exactly what slievenamon said above.

I think at 37 it's okay to loathe them really

Thats not what I asked though, is it? Can you not answer it?

On Question Time now

If this were a kid in mainstream society, sure.

But how do people propose that we go about approaching travellers in a much more closed and mistrusting community about their children?

they have had to cut-off and switch off their empathy and humanity just to survive

I think it’s safe to say that aggravated burglary with a screwdriver is not a pre-requisite of survival

So me refusing to have that lad bully me was me not having compassion WOW.

Maybe if it had been dealt with properly i wouldnt have had to obtain a rape alarm back in 2006 kindly provided by the Suzy Lamplugh Trust when he turned up in my hometown again and thought it was funny to call out my name but every time would act like he hadnt done or said anything when i turned my head around when i heard my name being called.

I phoned the Suzy Lamplugh Trust for advice and they were lovely. When they offered the alarm i said i didnt think it was needed and didnt want to take it in case someone else needed it more. They insisted and i still remember their words 12 years later.

"his behaviour is too unpredictable"

I still have the alarm.

Jesus h Christ what the fuck is going on? I leave to do a big shop and clean my oven and we have police officers grassing on each other?? What’s going on ??

Bloke in the audience on QT is better informed than Nicola Horlick which was a little disappointing

I think adults should be held responsible for their behaviour. I think the authorities should intervene more in these types of families to support children but if we are going to pretend for the sake of not being called racist that there aren't massive problems within the traveller community then what can be done? I think if intervention can be achieved before a child reaches 18 then great. Sadly beyond that the best intervention is protecting other people from them.

So me refusing to have that lad bully me was me not having compassion WOW

No the point was that you seemed to think noone should have cared about him at all. Which likely nopone did, which is why he went as bad as he did.

People aren't just bad or evil. They were innocent children and they were failed. It's not ok to not give a shit about that.

For the very reason that this family have been indoctrinating their own offspring into career criminality, it is very likely these children will benefit from the fact their father is dead. Of course, they won’t see it that way now as he is just ‘daddy’, and he is gone.

Sadly his relatives are now teaching them revenge is the way forward and by the sounds of things are holding him up as a ‘good man’ who was killed by a bad man. A total distortion of what is true.

These kids need access to good role models and some moral teaching. If this doesn’t come from parents, it can often come from teachers. However, if these kids don’t go to school, the cycle of crime, hate and revenge will continue.