pt.2 To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[lostjanni]

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“defending a crook and his equally criminal family.”

And again. Who is doing this?

that's likely true, but that would involve removing them from their environment and placing them in a situation where they can be properly educated and brought up. Something the righteous warriors on here would be up arms.

all well and good but its never gonna happen,so its pretty pointless talking about it

whats going on now is the debate

Also Ant was invited into many living rooms he didn’t force his way in with a screw driver. Ffs the wine down love

I somehow don't think that traveller families will allow any outside help.

Also Ant was invited into many living rooms he didn’t force his way in with a screw driver

They tend to despise non travellers, and any outsiders wanting to help, will be given short shrift. Really people have been on the 🍷🍷🍷🍷. Again.

@gorgeousjaws

I don't think that's defending them, I agree with the sentiments. I've seen it here often, children who are dragged up basically, and become the Vincents of the world. It would be better if we could help them out of it when they are young enough, surely?

@stirner

• that's likely true, but that would involve removing them from their environment and placing them in a situation where they can be properly educated and brought up. Something the righteous warriors on here would be up in arms about.

FFS just stop. You are literally sounding so ridiculous now

I think all credibility and sense has gone.

I think both Ant and the scum bag are both white? Is it Geordie bias then seriously was this post a joke user

@snowagain - how am I so sounding ridiculous?

Helena thank you.

It's really interesting as a debate but what I frequently find myself explaining to people is that the police deal with criminal law and criminal matters.
And leaving flowers for a dead person is not a criminal matter so police shouldn't get involved. Only if it escalates to the point where a potential breach of the peace is reached could I see any reason to intervene.
The law is pretty black and white and we live in a civilised society. Police do not and should not preside over a moral issue. Only legal ones.

I don't think that's defending them, I agree with the sentiments. I've seen it here often, children who are dragged up basically, and become the Vincents of the world. It would be better if we could help them out of it when they are young enough, surely?

Only a fascist could save travellers from themselves. People are free to fuck up their children as they see fit, even more so if they're from an 'ethnic minority' because in this case they have to be soft-pedalled.

It's basic reproductive freedom.

Oh Jesus Christ, I know it's not a matter of going in and rescuing poor deprived little children, I said I agreed with the sentiments. I grew up on a rough-arse council estate my parents still live on and have seen the cycle continue repeatedly.
I know better than most it's a pipe dream to intervene when they're young enough, no needed.
I was pointing out that quote WASN'T defending him or his criminal family.

Except it's not black and white because in this instance leaving the flowers is disturbing the peace and could be interpreted as a threat.

I think we could all see it can be a cycle of criminality but not a lot you can do with such a closed community

It is a very closed community. What they are doing, putting up floral tributes in the community in which he robbed and was killed in action, can be seen is breaching the peace. Their very presence in this community and how they are behaving, is threatening.

gluteous.

It's really interesting as a debate but what I frequently find myself explaining to people is that the police deal with criminal law and criminal matters.

OK, how about -

Section 87 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990

The Criminal Damage Act 1971

and

Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 - as it relates to trespass.

As for the reported comments of the Police that they cannot act unless the bloke who's fence is slowly being wrecked complains - that is shirking and cowardly - he must surely realise that the fence owner is terrified of reprisals.

Look let’s get real the police are not intervening because they don’t want it to escalate and other travellers turning up as they havnt the resources to cope. They should be going into this site snd other sites looking for thr other scum that escaped but they won’t.

It’s far easier for the authorities to have law abiding people traumatise and bullied than it it to arrest and prosecute the offenders.

Everyone knows it because that is what is happening.

Vicar - I thought you said on another thread if a home owner in the street rang 101 and complained the police would remove the floral tributes.

Mydog you are totally right, and the poster who said, that the fence owners are terrified of reprisals.

is it not strange how the other burglar has not been found or handed himself in or had much column inches

would that be because he is in hiding in one of the travellers sites and the Police wont dare enter one,sorry but my opinion on the Police has really taken a nose dive over this and i dont think im the only one

this is just coming across as a certain community can do more or less what they want and jo public just has to suck it up

Probably they are hiding him in their community Spring, your absolutely right, they can do what the hell they want.

Does anyone remember how those two lads who put up fb posts saying they may riot (just after the 2011 riots) got arrested and threatened with prison. Did they serve any time? I cant remember.

Surely if the Vincent family are making threats the same should apply.

I am defending Mr Vincent.
I am interested, as DH of a police support staff, how many are happy to crictise the police.
Aiso it treaspass on the neighbours land, so that's civil law, no police force intervenes in trespass. Thats why councils have to get travellers evicted.
Plus as father of a future criminology degree student, I find it fascinating that Ant isn't seen as criminal by most.
Mr Vincent, shouldn't have been at the house and shouldn't have been stealing, but he was and so by the law of England and Wales ahould have been arrested and sent to jail. See I don't defend him. Just don't see any difference between him and Ant. Both are crinimals.
I don't feel SORRY, for him, but as someone who lost his brother and dad before I was 22, i feel deep empathy with his kids. Believe me they will never truely recover.

If that makes me a apologist for a crimnal, your wrong, so be it. No it makes me a human being.