To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

The only way for this poor family to grieve is to put flowers in plastic wrappers at the house he was trying to burgle.

It's an unusual position to take surely.

Was the position of the flowers agreed with the police?

Irrespective of this particular case, the anti traveler sentiment on this thread is disturbing.

the anti traveler sentiment on this thread is disturbing.

It's anti these travellers who, to be honest, haven't really helped themselves have they??

No Miffy the burglar was stabbed at the house where the floral demonstration was created. He died, having unsuccessfully been trying to escape, several streets away.

Maybe there should be a national "It was bound to happen" arboretum where relatives of speeders, boy racers, burglars, base jumpers can go & put their Esso Posies in safety without littering....

These tacky public shrines rarely serve a useful purpose - usually it's just a way of joining the drama, or , as here, intimidating the innocent.

His family may be grieving, but if he hadn't been on the rob, he would still be alive today.

BlatheringOn

With respect, I don't think you read my comment properly. But just for clarity's sake, I didn't ever say that this was the right thing for his family to do and I thought that seemed pretty plain from what I'd written. However, there's no doubt, from what I've seen on social media and in the black and red top tabloids, that this, in part, has become an excuse to bash the traveller community - and it is this in particular that I take issue with.

Thanks.

YANBU

reminds me of the idiots who left floral tributes for Raoul Moat.

TSSDNCOP -

I understand. The BBC articles I've read on this seem vague.

Thanks for clarifying.

Miffy, to be fair the travelling community haven't done themselves any favours with this have they? No acknowledgement either that this was a heinous thing to have done? Nothing.

No it wasn't agreed with the police, the police just said they were powerless to stop it. They attached stuff to a few resident's houses who say they feel intimidated by it.

I loathe street tributes anyway. They are a messy nuisance and even a hazard - put your tributes in the cemetary or have a memorial in your own home.

BertrandRussell.

I agree with you. It is disturbing to see prejudice towards this community. But as soon as one says something like this, you are immediately accused of being in alliance with the "wrong" side and the mob take up their pitchforks.

They put the flowers there to remind the victims what has happened, intimidation. The perpetrator didn't die right outside the house he died at a spot further down the road from what I have read so they should put the tribute in that spot.

If it were my son/brother I would be hugely ashamed that he stooped to a low of robbing pensioners in their own home, and would sadly miss them if they died as a result BUT what else could I say, he didn't deserve it? What a shame?? Obviously thought pensioners were an easy target and paid the ultimate price.

I find it alarming as yet another sign of deep divisions in Britain, divisions that are turning into violence as a habit.

I wouldn’t necessarily do it, but I do understand a drive to visit the place a loved one died as part of a person’s grieving process.

I don’t think that’s what this was though.

It’s the real victims of this crime I feel for. How can they live in their home and feel safe anymore. These are pensioners fgs, amongst our most vulnerable.

Well perhaps anyone on this thread should have said so. People give opinions based on the info given.

Well, I also went on the info given, and agreed with everyone else that it was intimidating. But then I'm neither thick nor disingenuous.

The family should grieve in the privacy of their own homes.

Madbengalmum.

That's your opinion and I respect it.

The traveller community aren't some monolith with a board of spokespeople at hand to make statements on issues which involve them. They are just as disparate and varied as the rest of us. On top of this, I wouldn't trust that their views on this would be accurately reported either.

But either way, I've already said that I feel that things like this become just an another excuse to bash this community and I've seen nothing whatsoever on this thread that makes me change my mind.

"TSSDNCOP" there were three sites that flowers were left. The one taken down, was done by the homeowner whose fence they were attached to. One outside the house he was stabbed in and opposite it.

To his credit he's left the handwritten note and teddy from the man's children.

Bakedbean47 Raoul Moat begged for psychiatric help and shouldn't have been released. So I think that is a different case.

Its interesting that when people give subjective reports of the effect of Travellers on their community, then that's the truth. When people state the difference that economic migrants make to their community, than that's racist.

It’s also really disturbing that his accomplice is on the run amongst us too.

It's not particularly 'anti traveller sentiment', it's the perception that antisocial and criminal behaviour carried out by members of that community is not dealt with adequately by the authorities when it does occur. That is the issue.

I think if his family want to hold anyone else responsible then it ought to be his accomplice who drove off and left him dying in the street.

Noeffingidea, that's the key word, though, 'perception' not fact.

If the same was being said about the male Muslim/Somalian community, then this thread would be pulled.