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To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

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frankchickens · 10/04/2018 10:47

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

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BakedBeans47 · 11/04/2018 18:51

Jesus Mightymucks that’s awful! Alice Gross was a child murder victim for crying out loud.

Springiscoming123 · 11/04/2018 18:54

why cant the police shut the road of and only let residents access?

frankchickens · 11/04/2018 18:57

why cant the police shut the road of and only let residents access?

Presumably because they don't want to risk escalating things. They close areas off when it suits them.

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Springiscoming123 · 11/04/2018 19:00

well maybe they should of done it in the beginning,they must of known their would be some trouble

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:11

@stitchglitched

Well said snow! This man caused absolute fear and misery to some of the most vulnerable people in society. He was someone's son? Yeah he was a nasty thieving thug's son who has just served 6 years for robbing pensioners too. Lets not pretend the world won't be a better place without him in it.

Well said you too! Great post.

AND PMSL at people saying he can't be a vulnerable old man, as he was drinking alcohol.

What the ACTUAL fuck?

And how bizarre that someone would think because 37 is a 'young man' that 78 is middle aged!

That is as daft as saying someone who is half the age of a 60 year old is a child, purely because they are half their age.

Yeah, 37 is the start of middle age by the way (sorry folks!) It's officially late 30's to late 50's... It's the 'middle third' of your life - IYSWIM.

@stitchglitched

If they aren't removed though, it is giving them the green light to keep it as a shrine. What is to stop them all gathering there on his birthday, the anniversary of his death etc? They need to be told to get lost frankly. Some of the comments from his relatives are awful and it is clearly designed as an act of defiance and intimidation. Maybe people getting angry and taking them down will show them that not everyone can be bullied. I can see a few for sale signs going up soon though.

Well said AGAIN. These scumbags need a restraining order. To stop them coming to the area.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 11/04/2018 19:11

That post about Alice Gross is utterly shameful

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 11/04/2018 19:15

Mightymucks, WTF?

That's such an offensive and shameful comment about Alice Gross.

Slievenamon · 11/04/2018 19:18

There have been many offensive and shameful comments on this thread but that one is one of the worst ever seen on MN.

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:22

If people think the thread is REVOLTING and the nasty people have found each other on here, then feel free to go post on another thread.

Maybe even go hug a criminal and tell them how lovely they are, but then see how you feel if they break into your mother or nana's house and rob them, and make them too scared to sleep again - EVER!

You people defending this SCUMBAG criminal who tried to rob this old man, and 'feeling sorry' for his POOR family should be ashamed of yourselves. Hmm

Slievenamon · 11/04/2018 19:26

If people think the thread is REVOLTING and the nasty people have found each other on here, then feel free to go post on another thread

Why? So you can all get even more revolting together with no input from anyone else? Do you somehow not think that comment about a child murder victim was revolting?

You people defending this SCUMBAG criminal who tried to rob this old man

Can you show us where anyone has done that? I haven't seen even one. If you can't you can take it back I'm sure.,

miffytherabbit1974 · 11/04/2018 19:26

"That's the problem with travellers. Unfortunately it's the 99% that give the 1% a bad name."

@Radicalrooster.

This is what I mean about smearing an entire community, combined with unconcealed bigotry. I'm hoping MNHQ remove your comment. I have no idea what this has to do with the actions of one family behaving badly by pinning floral tributes to a fence in an attempt to be provocative. But hey, if you can shoehorn in an excuse to be an out and out racist, you'll go for it, I guess?

Imagine if someone here insinuated that 99% of Jewish people were to be condemned, or gay people, or any other minority? You'd rightly be shot down in flames and probably banned from Mumsnet permanently.

The only time I've ever been mugged (a pretty unpleasant experience for anyone) was in 1994 in London by a man with Barbadian origin. It didn't give me the excuse to smear and condemn the entire African Caribbean population living in the UK because of it.

Picking on any minority is despicable. That you have utilised this horrendous situation involving a traumatised elderly couple and a dead man to exercise your naked bigotry is even more revolting.

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:29

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Aeroflotgirl · 11/04/2018 19:29

I agree snow I don't understand how we are offensive or shameful, because we don't feel sad for a criminal who died robbing and threatening an elderly man and his wife. That we dare speak badly about his nasty and disgusting family, threatening the man with harm and behaving in such appeallling manner. Erecting those tributes with the sole aim to intimidate and threaten locals. Right, some people really are from another dimension.

noeffingidea · 11/04/2018 19:31

Miffy I'm going to try and take a middle road here.
Why do you think there are so many negative stereotypes about Irish travellers, and so few positive ones, it would seem, to an extent that doesn't seem to occur with any other community?

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 11/04/2018 19:32

Someone posted that a 14 year old deserved to be murdered
I think that’s pretty disgusting

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:34

FFS quit using that ONE comment by ONE poster (that has now been deleted.)

It's gone now, let it go! Hmm

stitchglitched · 11/04/2018 19:34

The problem is you can say that there are only a tiny minority of travellers who cause problems, but that isn't in line with people's actual experience, or the fact that some LAs have intervention programs specifically targetting problems within the traveller community- are they racist too?

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:35

Banging on about that one comment is proof that there is little else to on about.

As I said, it's been deleted, and the majority of people who are against the scumbag criminal have NOT said anything 'bad...' Just justifiable comments!

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:36

Banging on about that one comment is proof that there is little else to go on about.

As I said, it's been deleted, and the majority of people who are against the scumbag criminal have NOT said anything 'bad...' Just justifiable comments!

Aeroflotgirl · 11/04/2018 19:36

No, I don't agree with Mightyducks comment about a child, that was totally unacceptable. However my views about the criminal who was killed in action and his family still stand.

snowagain · 11/04/2018 19:37

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miffytherabbit1974 · 11/04/2018 19:44

Hi @noeffingidea

I've got a pretty good idea. The Wikipedia article on the travelling diaspora is very well written and goes in to some detail as to what might be at the root of negative stereotypes.

There is good and bad in every community. I'm white British Caucasian and I've far, far, far more unpleasant/abusive and upsetting experiences at the hands of other white British Caucasians, and that takes into account that my friends are from a pretty broad pool of people (including Irish travellers).

I come from a rural family of farmers, and my grandad, for decades, allowed two of his small paddocks to be used by travellers along with water access. Not once, not ever, did any of us have one bad experience with travellers during that period. I asked my mum (who has a better memory of this than me) and she can't remember anything of note happening. These visitations by the travellers occurred upwards of six or more times a year, several nights at a stretch. Before I get "told" by someone else on here that they were circus workers or a "different" kind of traveller. No, they weren't. They were Irish Travellers from the traveller diaspora. So, no, not by a long shot are "99% of travellers" to be condemned as awful.

Gay people used to get a horrible, horrible time of it for decades. Many bad stereotypes were attached to them too. The same with Jewish people. The same with Transgender people. And so on. It didn't make any of those stereotypes either fair or true. Some people, like the poster who left the "99 percent of travellers" comment just want someone to hate. It makes them feel better about their own inadequate lives.

But anyhoo... I've seen enough hatred on this thread to last me several lifetimes.

Slievenamon · 11/04/2018 19:46

Banging on about that one comment is proof that there is little else to on about

No. You've been told over and over again about the offensive comments and the racism but you won't listen. That one comment just was even worse, though it seems to hard to keep topping the vileness on this thread.

Mightymucks · 11/04/2018 19:47

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