To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

The flowers on the fence were opposite the house of Richard Osborn, in South Park Crescent.

The burglar died in Further Green Rd.

Therefore it would follow that any flowers that are left by the grievers would be in Further Green Rd.

Unless you were making a statement.

JaneyEJones, I've got settled travellers living around me. They bought up houses when they were sold off by the HA, they've improved the area.

Good point stitchglitched

I am savage about this today it never should have been allowed in the first place.

I cant say he deserved it but I have no sympathy for him. I have sympathy with the man who has to live with the fact he killed someone in defence of his home and disabled wife (which is going to be a terrible burden I expect) and that is a home he cant even return to.

If the family want to grieve do it in private or around their own community not on the bloody doorstep of the house he tried to burgle.

The messages from his children on the shrine have actually made me sick…….i will always be proud that you are my daddy……….proud of a man who spent his life taking from others and from those who were vulnerable!!! The rest of his family have failed to condemn him and now I expect will canonise him in the eyes of his children and not paint him for the thieving wee shite he was.

Disgusting

If the same was being said about the male Muslim/Somalian community, then this thread would be pulled.

Birds I'm not so sure about that. I've seen some vile anti-Muslim stuff left to stand as some threads turn effectively into a far-right wank-fest and I've also seen the (far fewer) traveler threads deleted sharpish.

ive just had a job involving a well known organised criminal gang member. (gypsy)
couldnt get a single person to provide a statement or any evidence to pursue it to court. not a one. its not my experience that police "wont" do anything . its my experience that people wont pursue a complaint for fear of the consequences. and i cant say i blame them if im honest.

I watched some of the reactions unfold on fb before lots of deletions, it was all kicking off on his page. His relatives on there didn't have a shred of regret about his crimes or behaviour and one was adamant that the 78 year old home owner should have strategically stabbed him in the leg instead. They aren't going to behave with any dignity or respect because they don't appear to possess any frankly.

The old man could be the nastiest person on the this planet but he was still triggered by a careering burglar entering his house in the dead of night.

I think casting aspersions on this man's character is horrid. Its tacky and disgraceful that the family feel its appropriate to do this.

Instead of humbly morn in private it shows how out off touch with morals they are.

Miffy, sorry, I wasn't being clear enough - I was responding to your comment:
"I’m not sure whether intimidation is at the heart of this" - and just trying to point out that I was focusing on the criminal event and alleged threats rather than on whether they were travellers. So, in answer to OP's question - yes, sadly I think it is an attempt to intimidate. I am clear that you, (Miffy) are not convinced.

Street shrines are revoltingly tacky quite apart from anything else.
Vanessa Feltz was speaking about this case on her radio show earlier, and a couple of callers said the burglar "didn't deserve to die" and it was "sad" Sad!!
Personally I think he totally deserved to die, and his family are a bunch of lowlife oxygen thieves.

Bertrand - Obviously you've never had the experiences most people do of travelers. I was sexually assaulted aged 14 by a gang and have been physically assaulted twice including by younger children (I was a teen but a group of us 'Gorgers' were attacked with rocks and planks of wood after 0 provocation). I also live in a farming town that gets ruined every few months by these people. They destroy the areas they settle, gain access illegally and it always accompanies a spate of thefts. You cannot enter the areas they stay or you are abused (last time they stayed on a leisure center field and anybody that walked past - including myself on the school run - was subjected to insults and in some cases, violence). They leave literal piles of shit everywhere, allow their animals and children to run wild then wonder why nobody wants them around.

CupofFrothyCoffee

Your comment just reinforces why some on here, me included, find some of the remarks to be disturbing.

That you are prepared to smear an community/ethnic group in one fell swoop kind of proves the point. Imagine swapping out the word "traveller" and then inserting another minority group gay/jewish/black/asian etc etc and then re-read it.

You are entirely comfortable defaming and condemning an entire section of society, as your comment has just shown. We all have bad experiences with different people but not all of us choose to use these experiences as an excuse to be bigots.

Though I understand the relatives need to grieve, I don't think opposite the house in which the incident took place is the right place for that. It does come off as deliberately intimidating or, at best, an attempt to lay guilt on to the pensioner.

As for the travellers in general issue, there are regularly travellers where I walk with my dog and I've never had an issue with them. They ignore me, I ignore them. I'd much rather come across a traveller and their dog than a fuckwit with a weapon on a lead. The travellers seem to train and socialise their dogs.

They used to come into a shop I worked in and we never had an issue with them there either. At times they could be a bit loud and 'common' for want of a better word but I live in an ex mining and shipping town, loud and common is, well, common around these parts.

Hate those floral tributes. There is no need to turn places into 'shrines' put flowers at a graveside- end of.

Who is going to protect that poor couple?

CupofFrothyCoffee

My comment didn't tell you how to feel. It did, however, tell me who you are.

Ifyousee
Yes. That is my concern. I am very worried for them.

im surprised Paddy Doherty has not raised his head on this one

Local hotel tried to do the decent thing recently and let them hire their wedding hall..what did they do? Pulled a gun and shot one of their own.

Interesting. Did they all pull a gun? Did they all use the same gun?
Do non-travellers never pull any guns and kill a relative/rival?

I do think it's sad when anyone dies, even burglars. Having said that, I understand that the shooter felt he needed to defend himself.

As for leaving flowers, considering the circumstances, it wasn't a good idea. Just not sure the intention was to intimidate. From my knowledge of traveller communities they take mourning very seriously.

How awful for this couple. To be terrified in the middle of the night and now to lose their home, their peace and now to live their lives in fear.