To find floral tributes being left for Harry Vincent offensive

[frankchickens]

This is an attempt to intimidate the innocent family. Flowers should be removed - isn’t it littering?

No. I'm making the point that the flowers are about the family. Are they not entitled to grieve because the dead person was not a good man?

Having read about the family and read what they wrote on the so-called tributes I don't give a flying fuck for their feelings.

Glad they've been removed. Hope they catch the other villain involved, no doubt being hidden by his loving family.

No. I'm making the point that the flowers are about the family. Are they not entitled to grieve because the dead person was not a good man?

Of course they can grieve. But their loved one was a scumbag who deliberately targeted elderly victims, in this case threatening and forcing them through their own home with a screwdriver.

His family should be sad, but also appalled that their loved one was a career criminal who died violently persecuting vulnerable people in their own home. They shouldn't do anything that could upset the real blameless victims of the tragedy.

Easy to have a heart of gold when you're giving away stuff you've stolen from other people.

Oh and lining the pockets of drug dealers, if the reports of him being a drug addict are true. Another great way to contribute to society.

The man achieved nothing in his life except to cause misery and to intimidate people.

I don't understand how flowers are meant to be intimidating? Whats so scary about carnations?

Oh for goodness sake whats wrong with you? Its the message they are sending out!

No problem with the family grieving, just not outside the home of the person the deceased terrorised

There are flowers near where I live, placed at a murder site by the murdered boy's family. The murderer is in prison. This case is different -not murder but self-defence against an attacker by an elderly person within their own home and these flowers are being used to threaten. Online there is information about the attacker's lifestyle - he was a career criminal specialising in the vulnerable. I am horrified that his family know the location and face of the pensioner.

Absolutely they should have not have allowed them up in the first place.

It could have been the case that the police agreed a spot where grieves for the burglar died, which wasn’t the same place he was injured.

The women that put up that display yesterday weren’t placing a few carnations, they attached dozens and dozens of bouquets in what was quite obviously a statement.

This man who died would not have died if he hadn’t engaged in an aggravated burglary, an act in which he was demonstrably well practised. Eventually your luck runs out.

They can do what they like outside their own house, which is where the flowers should have been put

might already have been said but isn't it classed as criminal damage to attach something to a person's property without consent. I if the owner of the fence the flowers and balloons were attached to gave consent. If not, wonder why the police believe they could did intervene?

It’s just a personal taste thing I guess, but I’m not keen of these types of tributes being tied to fences, lampposts etc. They are distracting for drivers and they look horrible when the flowers die and the whole effect falls apart. I can imagine that the couple who were burgled do feel that this tribute being left where it is makes them uncomfortable. At the same time I can understand a family’s need to grieve.

I’m not sure whether intimidation is at the heart of this, because it is very difficult to get balanced news about travellers, in the main because there is so much prejudice and animus aimed at this group of peoples. I grew up on a main route for travellers, who often worked with fair workers in Nottingham & Ashby De La Zouch. We often had travellers vans/caravans etc. stopping in the lay-bys and patches of land around our village in the 70’s and 80’s and we never had any issues. There’s a lot of ‘just for the sake of it’ nasty bigotry being played towards this community out over this burglary/killing whatever people might feel about the individual rights or wrongs of that night.

Despite what I’ve just said, I think had they not been pulled down, it probably would’ve been sensible for the police or council to remove the flowers/tributes, simply just to calm things down a bit. I’m not suggesting that it is the case in this particular thread on Mumsnet, but there is often a free-for-all bigot-fest when travellers are involved in something, and I’m frankly fed up of seeing it.

Surely the place for tributes should be outside the dead burglar's home anyway . It is wrong that they were placed opposite the home of his victim and applaud whoever took them down so YANBU.

I didn’t even know the deceased career burglar was a traveller. I did think “fucking hell, are you sure” when I saw the photos of the women turning up prepared with floristry boxes to perform their demonstration in the wrong place!!!!

It is an act of deliberate intimidation. The guy was stabbed at the house but ran away and died a few streets away.

Why didn’t they put the flowers at at site he actually at? No reason other then to intimidate an old couple.

Pink, if the mourners are travellers too they’re not so good with directions are they?

TSSDNCOP -

My understanding, according the BBC at least, is that the spot where the flowers were put is actually just a few yards from where this man died.

Here's the link: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43710526

YANBU

To be honest, I'd have thought having an 'ard man like that stabbed to death by a 78 year old chap would be humiliating.

Some people have no shame, though.

TSSDNCOP care to explain that?

I agree the tribute should be were he died.

often a free-for-all bigot-fest when travellers are involved in something, and I’m frankly fed up of seeing it.
Clearly you have not suffered the consequences when they've landed in your town then.Last year some rocked up and decided to go on a factory car park and live there for a while because it fuckinf suited them. People couldn't get to work and the factory was losing money and orders. Another time they decided to stop on our country park car park. The one where everyone else has to pay and display. Once they left the council had to go and pick their filth up including all sorts of unsavoury things that shouldn't be there.

But sure, they have a heart of gold!

Miffy - it was news to me that he was a traveller. The fact is, he is a criminal fully supported by his family - no mention of any remorse on their side - and now the media are reporting that ‘They [Henry’s family] won’t get over a death of one of their own and they won’t rest until they get their revenge against anyone who takes a cherished loved one' (Mail Online).

Well perhaps anyone on this thread should have said so. People give opinions based on the info given.

Repeal it has been all over the media. Do you only get information on current affairs from mumsnet?

I think leaving flowers is intimidating in this instance.

There was a report a few years ago where flowers had been laid on the anniversary of a murder victim’s death, outside the flat where he lived. The current tenant was very upset by it, unsurprisingly.

I don’t like floral tributes left along grass verges and tied to lamp posts either - not for me. (I never felt the need to put flowers in the hospital ward where my dad died either...)