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78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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SShaming · 04/04/2018 12:20

2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

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BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 12:41

I have not attacked the victim. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story.?

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 12:41

So whales do you honestly expect the police not to investigate when someone is dead? Because that’s all that has happened and been discussed at length.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:42

When you hear noise in the night, and someone has broken into your home, it may not be the intention for the criminal to steal, but to hurt or kill the victim. I really wish this poor man well now, and his poor wife.

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 12:42

“Your position is intellectually and morally bankrupt - as pro-burglar and anti-victim as it is possible to be!”

Grin Yep, really pro burglar, me. Love burglars. My absolute favourite people. Can’t stand victims. They are just so......victim-y.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 12:43

BertrandRussell

I have not attacked the victim.

You called him a murderer. In what reality is that not attacking the victim?

Unless of course, you mean to imply that the dead criminal is the real victim? That's what you believe, isn't it?

stitchglitched · 05/04/2018 12:44

Why did you call him a murderer then?

And how can anyone tell how 'vulnerable' someone is from a photo?

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 12:45

Bertrand I’m a bad person but that made me laugh. 😂

PaintedHorizons · 05/04/2018 12:46

An investigation - fine - we need to establish the facts.

We cannot say that the man committed murder, (BertrandRussell is usually very mindful of facts and this assertion is ridiculous). Murder requires a degree of premeditation that is unlikely when you are surprised in your bed. However a killing does need to be investigated.

I do wonder whether people really would stand there and let someone go into the room with their sleeping children or elderly much-loved disabled partner and do no more than make a phone call and hope for the best?

And the age is important. The man is nearly 80. He would not have the advantage in a fight unless he was lucky or armed. And there were two of them. It is not question of sympathy.

(But having been burgled - I know I got very little sympathy or help from the police who basically treated it as a normal part of daily life - so maybe thinking about the victim of burglary in sympathetic terms is no bad thing)

ButchyRestingFace · 05/04/2018 12:47

grin Yep, really pro burglar, me. Love burglars. My absolute favourite people. Can’t stand victims. They are just so......victim-y.

Snap. Nothing can enliven an otherwise tedious Saturday evening in Dullsville like a good, old-fashioned home invasion.

I've even had the dog detoothed because I wouldn't want him acting as a deterrent.

Lizzie48 · 05/04/2018 12:50

Whatever conviction that results from this, it won't be murder. There was no premeditation, the burglars were the ones armed. It's likely to be self-defence, or possibly manslaughter.

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 12:50

painted Unfortunately it is a routine call for police, what additional help were you looking for that you didn’t get? Genuine question?

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:52

I agree Painted, it is very easy for us to think of what we would do, sat behind a computer screen. But faced with your family, children being attacked and hurt, I bet you would do what you could to protect them. If that means harming an attacker to protect yourself and your family, so be it.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:54

I don't mean shotgun under the bed type thing, but using an everyday item in the house to help protect you. From news reports it sounded like there was a struggle between the victim and the burglar, and the burglars weapon was used against himself.

Bluelady · 05/04/2018 12:55

He clearly DID have the advantage in a fight since he ended up bruised and the other guy's dead.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 12:57

I'll just leave these posts to speak for themselves as examples of naked hypocrisy and self-contradiction. Does any apologist care to defend this bullshit?

BertrandRussell Wed 04-Apr-18 22:21:15
Oh of course you can't just kill other people with no consequences. Of course he has to be arrested and charged- he murdered someone!

BertrandRussell Thu 05-Apr-18 12:41:06
I have not attacked the victim.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:57

Blue, how is he disadvantaged, two young men, against one elderly man. Mabey his quick thinking or adernaline just took over, and he had the extra strength to protect him and his wife, who knows.

Rubyhay · 05/04/2018 12:58

Burglary probably doesn't warrant a death sentence... but saying that the burglar had no regard for his victims safety or the impact his actions had on their lives, therefore I couldn't give two hoots about his safety.

He took a gamble. He lost. And I'm probably that wee bit more safer. Hoorah.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:58

Good on him, he protected himself and his wife. I am pleased he is out on bail, and wish his plight the very best.

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 12:59

whales so you are allowed your opinion but Bertrand isn’t allowed hers? How does that work?

And you never answered my question to you, do you really expect no investigation when there is a dead body found in a street?

Aeroflotgirl · 05/04/2018 12:59

Mabey now the spate of robberies in the area will decrease which is good.

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 12:59

Oh, I am pretty sure that in the right (or wrong) circumstances I would use unreasonable force too. The difference is that I would not expect the rule of law to be ignored. If I killed someone I would expect a jury to decide what, if anything, I was guilty of. Not a lot of gung ho string-em-up merchants. That's why we have the rule of law and people are not allowed to exact vengeance as they see for.

Gottagetmoving · 05/04/2018 13:02

No one is picking on the man who stabbed the burglar.
The police aren't, the media isn't and posters on here aren't.
No one thinks it's ok for those intruders to go into the man's house, so where are all the stupid posts on here accusing people of being on the burglars side coming from?
The process of law is being followed. It's not difficult to understand unless you are stupid.
All the speculation is ridiculous.

Rubyhay · 05/04/2018 13:02

He didn't murder someone, he killed someone. Murder implies premeditation. Unless the 5 minute period between the burglar breaking in to getting himself deaded counts as premeditation...Confused

Bluelady · 05/04/2018 13:03

You're braver than me, Bertrand. I'd cower under the duvet and feign sleep until they'd gone!

SecretBum · 05/04/2018 13:03

Good Lord, this thread has become ridiculous.

'Pro-burglar'? Are you fucking serious? Who the hell is 'pro-burglar'?!?

You've lost the plot Whales 😂

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