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78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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SShaming · 04/04/2018 12:20

2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 07/04/2018 13:50

I hope that the two posters who were in such hot pursuit of evidence about police attendance/non attendance of burglaries and number of burglaries investigated had a chance to look at the very helpful double page spread in today's Telegraph.

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 13:50

“the law is out of step with public opinion”

That’s why we elect people to make laws on our behalf. Angry people make very bad choices when it comes to justice.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/04/2018 14:01

Stirner

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude - yet your happy for the state to intervene when someone defends themselves from a criminal. Righto

Are you arguing for the sake of it or do you really not understand. We, the people, through our elected representatives, have determined that the police should investigate a death in order to determine whether or not it is a lawful killing (self defence in this case) rather than make a decision without investigation.

Weezol · 07/04/2018 14:36

Chazsbrilliantattitude Thank your lucky stars your job means you won't be called for jury duty. I was, at the age of 23. I was stunned at the inability of a room of adults (most of whom had a lot more experience of life, better jobs and much more education than me) to interpret and understand what was happening in court.

No comprehension of the impact of their decisions at all. On my last case, me and one other spent hours trying to explain the judge's instructions about reasonable doubt and conviction only on evidence.

On returning to the waiting room after the judge had said a majority 10-2 was acceptable and the verdict was read out, two of the jurors cried. It appeared surprising to them that a guilty verdict in a Crown Court would lead to a prison sentence. One of them had based his 'guilty' verdict on the defendant being scruffy and inarticulate and all the prosecution witnesses being dressed smartly.

All in all, five of them 'couldn't believe' what they'd done. One even wanted to send a note to the judge saying she'd changed her mind.

Frequency · 07/04/2018 14:45

On returning to the waiting room after the judge had said a majority 10-2 was acceptable and the verdict was read out, two of the jurors cried. It appeared surprising to them that a guilty verdict in a Crown Court would lead to a prison sentence. One of them had based his 'guilty' verdict on the defendant being scruffy and inarticulate and all the prosecution witnesses being dressed smartly

It was the other way around when I did it. Three people wanted to say not guilty, despite the overwhelming evidence against the defendant. The defendant was young and facing a substantial sentence. They didn't want to send a nineteen year old baby to prison.

The 'baby' in question beat a younger boy to death.

Ever since, I have questioned the logic of using untrained, randomly selected members of the public as jury members.

snowagain · 07/04/2018 14:47

Richard Osborn-Brooks is a hero. I punched the air when he was released without charge.

And maybe the burglar's scumbag family, (and their cronies who hang around in the same circles,) will think twice before robbing people now.

It's no loss that this piece of shit was killed by the man he tried to rob, and I can't help but laugh at the robber's family wailing that he didn't deserve to die. Like we should all feel sorry for him.

No, the vast majority of the British public do NOT feel sorry he is dead. People are pissed off with scum families like this terrorising people and making them feel vulnerable in their own homes.

If I knew someone was a robber or committing any kind of crime, I wouldn't hesitate to report it to the police. I don't subscribe to this sink-estate mentality, where grassing someone up is a worse crime than robbery or benefit fraud and so on.... Fuck that. They are criminals, and they deserves to be treated as such...

Richard did nothing wrong. He merely defended himself. Are the (few) people defending the robbers and dissing the VICTIM, suggesting he should have just stood there, and allowed the scumbag robbers to kill him instead? Because they had weapons, and had the full intention of causing harm.

Anyone who defends these scumbag robbers who came into Richard's home with the FULL INTENT to rob and harm, is as bad as the criminals they are defending, and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves..... I have no idea how you can look at yourself in the mirror if you defend pond scum like this robber and his disgusting family.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 15:04

Anyone who defends these scumbag robbers who came into Richard's home with the FULL INTENT to rob and harm, is as bad as the criminals they are defending, and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.....

Indeed - apologists and enablers are pernicious because they create the environment in which criminals can commit more crimes, in the certain knowledge that bleeding hearts will always be ready to jump up and defend them, however indefensible they may be.

Frequency · 07/04/2018 15:07

I can't help but laugh at the robber's family wailing that he didn't deserve to die

I find that attitude disgusting. His daughters are not guilty of any crime.

Are the (few) people defending the robbers and dissing the VICTIM, suggesting he should have just stood there, and allowed the scumbag robbers to kill him instead

No-one did or would suggest that.

Because they had weapons, and had the full intention of causing harm

We don't know they intended to harm. Only the Police, the homeowner and the perpetrators have the full facts and all the evidence. Screwdrivers can be used to prise open doors and windows. It's highly probable that they had the screwdriver for that purpose.

Anyone who defends these scumbag robbers who came into Richard's home with the FULL INTENT to rob and harm, is as bad as the criminals they are defending

No-one has defended the criminals, people have stated they want the law to be upheld and due process followed, that is in no way comparable to breaking into someone's home and is certainly nothing to be ashamed of.

IsadoraQuagmire · 07/04/2018 15:08

snowagain I totally agree with you...

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 15:14

Life must be so simple for people without nuance.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 15:20

If "nuance" means calling innocent victims murderers, then it is highly overrated.

stitchglitched · 07/04/2018 15:25

Life must be so simple for people who have such complete confidence that they can contradict themselves repeatedly, be an absolute hypocrite and yet still maintain that air of patronising superiority.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 15:26

stitchglitched

I think I love you Star Wink

Valanice1989 · 07/04/2018 15:37

On returning to the waiting room after the judge had said a majority 10-2 was acceptable and the verdict was read out, two of the jurors cried. It appeared surprising to them that a guilty verdict in a Crown Court would lead to a prison sentence. One of them had based his 'guilty' verdict on the defendant being scruffy and inarticulate and all the prosecution witnesses being dressed smartly.

All in all, five of them 'couldn't believe' what they'd done. One even wanted to send a note to the judge saying she'd changed her mind.

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BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 15:42

“If "nuance" means calling innocent victims murderers, then it is highly overrated.”

Whales- do I know you in real life? Did you buy a stale cake from my stall or something? If I did, pop along next market day and you can have a free one. Til then, how about laying off the personal attacks?

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 15:44

Stitch- I am many things. But not a hypocrite.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 15:44

Whales- do I know you in real life?

I certainly hope not. More to the point, criticizing the explicit words of another poster is hardly a "personal attack" - half the posts on MN would disappear if that were the case!

stitchglitched · 07/04/2018 15:48

I'd say advocating against due process whilst criticising others for apparently doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical, as is saying that nobody was privy to enough evidence to make a judgement yesterday despite there being enough evidence for you to make one.

Quicknamechange2015 · 07/04/2018 16:02

And maybe the burglar's scumbag family, (and their cronies who hang around in the same circles,) will think twice before robbing people now.

Nope.

Many years ago, a gang of bank robbers found themselves locked up together in prison. Because they were "clever" bank robbers, they hatched a cunning plan to rib a bank on the very day of their release. After all they figured, the one day the police would never suspect them, would be the day they got out of prison.

So they're out bright and early one June day in 1977. It was the day a middle school in a different part of London was holding a ceremony to distribute a presentation Silver Jubilee coin in a box paid for by the PTA.

Because they were clever criminals, they had decided to target a bank a long way from "the Scrubs" where they were held. They were outside the bank at 11am, pulled on the stockings, pulled out the shotguns, and went in. They went in loud. They went in hard. They terrified the staff and the customers and were brutal and quick. They had no time for any nonsense, so when a customer came through the door as they were filling the bags it was a deadly crunch with a shotgun butt staving in the poor sods skull and leaving him in a pool of his own blood as they screamed off down the Great West Road.

Luckily, the customer was rushed to hospital, where they were able to remove the shattered bone from the brain. However the injury was so severe, they dared not do any more. So the man lived, but with permanent brain damage which left him jobless and forever sullied the day his little boy came home all excited with his jubilee coin.

Of course - even in the 70s, the police weren't quite as stupid as the criminals thought. They had advance notice of the planned job. The only thing they didn't know was which bank would be robbed. So they did the best they could and staked out the houses of the gang. Sure enough, these criminal masterminds arrived at one of the houses to count the loot where armed police caught them "bang to rights". They had been hoping to have a clear case of armed robbery, and were devastated that they had to deal with what was GBH and attempted murder.

It was later revealed in court that all the guns were oiled, cleaned, loaded with ammunition and had been fired recently - clearly tested. These criminals had absolutely no compunction in killing if anyone got in their way. As one policeman said to the victim, he was very lucky.

Obviously there was a trial and the victims injuries were a feature. The gang of four went down for 14 years - all guilty of armed robbery and attempted murder.

They served every single day.

Fast forward to the day of their release. They had lost none of their intelligence in jail, and had worked out that surely this time the one day they would never be suspected of a bank robbery would be the day they were released from jail ...

So one April in 1991, they found themselves in a car at the rear of a post office in a different part of London. They had chosen a post office because there had been a spate of bank robbers getting themselves killed in London in the late 80s early 90s by armed police who seemed to know where to be.

They rev the car to ram raid the post office. Unfortunately, because they were criminals, and therefore (it must be assumed) thick as pigshit, they managed to ram raid the kitchen shop next door.

Undeterred, they decide to go through the hole they've made and get to the post office that way.

As they are getting out of the car, a hidden squad of armed police appear, and issue the warning "Armed police, drop your weapons".

Demonstrating the ruthlessness they had 14 years previously, the gang try to open fire on the police. 3 are shot dead instantly. A fourth who was behind the car runs off. The rear of the Post Office was a back road which lead across a bridge over the tube into a housing estate. The robber ran over that bridge, into the estate where a mother was pushing a pram. He saw her and ran towards her (the police at the inquest suggested the only explanation was to take a hostage). All the while he was firing back at the pursuing police who were able to safely shoot him before he could present a danger to anyone. As they stated at the inquest they were forced to limit fire and aim, which resulted in a wound to the abdomen which proved fatal - after an unpleasant time.

The moral of that story ? Criminals really are that thick.

How do I know that story ? I still have that Jubilee coin.

And why am I opposed to capital punishment ? Because the death of those robbers didn't bring back the man that used to be my Dad. But God bless the police that put their lives on the line - if you are enough of a fucking moron that you wave a weapon around in public, then all power to the police to stop you and to protect us all.

BertrandRussell · 07/04/2018 16:15

“More to the point, criticizing the explicit words of another poster is hardly a "personal attack"”

It is when the other poster retracted and replaced the word more than 24 hours ago.

KrisMulreedy · 07/04/2018 16:23

social justice warrior

Ah, "social justice warrior" - this generation's "political correctness gone mad". Saying it is basically putting a sandwich board around your neck which informs others that your opinions can be safely ignored.

Weezol · 07/04/2018 16:30

One of the other trials on whilst I was on jury duty was two men who had robbed the shop at the end of their own street, somone they'd been at school with was behind the counter and they made their getaway in a car one of them legally owned. There was cctv in the shop, they didn't cover their faces, they left fingerprints etc.

They were pleading not guilty.

WhalesOfYore · 07/04/2018 16:34

It is when the other poster retracted and replaced the word more than 24 hours ago.

A fair point. In that spirit, let me retract and replace my post above exactly as you did:

If "nuance" means calling innocent victims killers, then it is highly overrated.

snowagain · 07/04/2018 17:09

Good to see most people agree the victim is a hero, the scumbag got what he deserved, and his family are morons!

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