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78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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SShaming · 04/04/2018 12:20

2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

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Gottagetmoving · 05/04/2018 13:03

As for all the people claiming they would do 'this or that's ... You are talking out of your arses because you really cannot say until it happens

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 13:04

I retract murderer and replace it with killer. It was the wrong word.

stitchglitched · 05/04/2018 13:04

How do you know he used 'unreasonable' force?

PaintedHorizons · 05/04/2018 13:04

Nickynacky The help I would have liked was:

  • a real recognition of the trauma involved. An understanding of how I felt.
  • In the case when I found the man with the knife in my daughter's room I had surprised him before he had taken anything so the police said that there was no real crime committed and not much they could do. They made no attempt to look for fingerprints or anything.
  • I have never felt that the police have made any attempt to get our stuff back. It's as if it doesn't matter. Claim on insurance and move on. A friend of mine lost a very rare gold coin that was set in a pendant - easily identifiable. No-one even looked for it.

I would have liked the police to really invest time in patrolling the streets. And when the burglars who attacked my grandmother all those years ago were caught - and they were - I'd have liked them to have had really tough punishments. But they didn't.

ButchyRestingFace · 05/04/2018 13:05

Mabey now the spate of robberies in the area will decrease which is good.

And if there was no investigation, maybe the murder rate would increase?

After all, all would-be murderers would know that all they have to do is kill the victim in their home, and then tell the police they acted in self-defence against someone who had broken in and attacked them?

Desmondo2016 · 05/04/2018 13:06

It's no different to the fact we arrest every driver involved in a fatal accident. It's about securing and preserving evidence. At the stage of the investigation when the arrest took place how can police know for sure that it was a burglary. If we didn't arrest the 'suspect ' and investigate it, wouldn't that be a great way to get away with killing anyone you want?! 'Well your honour, they were breaking in so I killed them' Grin

Why are some of you guys so anti police and assume they just want to persecute the innocent? Believe you me, they have enough to be doing without doing things like nicking people for the sake of it.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 13:07

BertrandRussell

I retract murderer and replace it with killer. It was the wrong word.

That "wrong word" makes all the fucking difference in the world, doesn't it? Glad to see you admit that you did in fact attack the elder victim, even if obtaining the admission was like pulling teeth.

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 13:09

painted thanks for your reply, it was a very traumatic experience you went through.

You haven’t said how long ago it was but you would be perfectly reasonable to go back and ask them what investigation they did. We are rightly expected to update our complainers frequently.

Acknowledging trauma is a difficult one as it is subjective, isn’t it? But they should have offered you victim support or put you in the direction of agencies who can help with that trauma.

Patrolling streets just isn’t going to happen with numbers as they are. Cops don’t get time to pee these days, not like when I was in uniform and a lot of my day was spent on patrol.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 13:09

elderly of course. There was no other victim.

ButchyRestingFace · 05/04/2018 13:09

Glad to see you admit that you did in fact attack the elder victim

She didn't admit attacking anyone. She admitted she used the wrong word to describe something said person had done.

The idea of you ever sitting on a jury terrifies me.

Rubyhay · 05/04/2018 13:11

Butchy Yes I'm sure there's a bunch of would-be-murderers waiting for this guy to be found not guilty so they finally have that green light they've been waiting years for to kidnap and murder people in their own home Hmm.

Trumpdump · 05/04/2018 13:11

Whilst the male pensioner may not be old and frail, his wife certainly is, and I imagine this was his main concern!

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 13:11

whales I assume you aren’t going to answer my question because simply, you can’t?

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 13:11

"That "wrong word" makes all the fucking difference in the world, doesn't it? Glad to see you admit that you did in fact attack the elder victim, even if obtaining the admission was like pulling teeth."

I didn't attack him. I called him a murderer when I should have called him a killer. Which is what he is, whatever happens.

PaintedHorizons · 05/04/2018 13:11

Bertrand - you would like the rule of law to apply - and yet you still called the man a murderer - therefore ignoring the rule of law yourself. You have changed the word to "killer" but we still don't know if that is accurate. "Killer" indicates someone intended to kill and directly caused the death of another. We don't know this either.

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2018 13:13

Killer is accurate. He killed someone.

Bluelady · 05/04/2018 13:14

No. Killer means someone who killed someone or something else. That isn't in question in this case.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 13:14

BertrandRussell

I didn't attack him. I called him a murderer when I should have called him a killer.

By calling him a murderer you slandered and smeared him, which in general terms may be called an "attack". Why is something so basic so difficult for you to understand?

Nicknacky · 05/04/2018 13:16

whales The irony at you asking a poster what is so difficult to understand!

Lizzie48 · 05/04/2018 13:16

I expect he will feel that he's a killer for the rest of his life, even if it is ruled in his favour as self-defence. As a result of his actions, a man has died. He certainly didn't intend to kill the intruder, as I see it, as he himself reported to the police that he had hurt someone.

Budsbeginingspringinsite · 05/04/2018 13:17

late to the thread but as these people crossed the threshold of this mans home with intent...then they took that risk that something may happen to them.

Trying to imagine DF or DM living alone and there would be a break in, both would have probably had heart attacks and died as they had bad hearts.

That would have been a direct consequence of burglar actions.
You start a crime surely you have to be responsible for the actions YOU set in motion?

ButchyRestingFace · 05/04/2018 13:17

Butchy Yes I'm sure there's a bunch of would-be-murderers waiting for this guy to be found not guilty so they finally have that green light they've been waiting years for to kidnap and murder people in their own home hmm.

I'm sure there are people out there who would be perfectly capable and willing to murder others if they thought they could get away with it. It's the not being able to get away with it prospect that prevents them from actually doing it.

But according to some people on this thread, the police should turn up to a premises where a person lies dead from stab wounds, another person is saying that he did it, and the police should simply take his/her word for what happened without any investigation.

I prefer the current system, however imperfect.

stitchglitched · 05/04/2018 13:17

Calling someone a killer, stating you expect him to be charged and implying he used unreasonable force when the only facts we have are those that the police themselves confirm- that he found two intruders in his home- is just as presumptious and unnecessary as those stating the opposite views.

WhalesOfYore · 05/04/2018 13:18

Oh, go on, since you so persistently want my attention:

Nicknacky

So whales do you honestly expect the police not to investigate when someone is dead? Because that’s all that has happened and been discussed at length.

Investigate? By all means. Arrest before the investigation is complete? Absolutely not. This man is hardly likely to kill again - well, not unless some more scum decide to break into his house, I suppose.

Budsbeginingspringinsite · 05/04/2018 13:19

Lizzie it was a "Re action" to the events the intruder set in motion.

There was a case recently where three thugs broke into home and beat a man senseless, he went on TV to parade his bruises. It was horrific, how do any of us know the intent of anyone who has broken into our home?

Will they just be scared and run out? Will they take iron bars and beat us? Maybe killing us in process? Will they rape us? what?

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