78 pensioner arrested for fatally stabbing burglar in his own home

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2 burglars break into a 78 year old man’s home armed with screwdriver.

Forces owner into the kitchen whilst one of them goes upstairs.

A fight ensues, leaving pensioner with injuries to his arm and burglary is fatally stabbed. Perhaps with his own screwdriver although this is TBC.

Police arrest pensioner.

On what planet is this right?

@WhalesofYore oh bless you for trying. Cute.

So basically your only “proof” isn’t.

Cool

JacquesHammer

Bertrand smeared the victim as a murderer, and wanted him arrested and charged on that basis. Your inability to read English isn't my problem

It's strange that the posters who felt that the reported facts supported self defence are being accused of having no respect for due process, rushing to judgement without evidence etc despite the police decision proving them correct. Yet posters who called him a murderer, said he should be charged, he used unreasonable force and ought to bypass the police for an automatic trial are managing to position themselves as being the none knee jerk, sensible, law respecting ones.

Do learn to read, it'll help you immensely both on Mumsnet and in life

BertrandRussell Wed 04-Apr-18 22:21:15
Oh of course you can't just kill other people with no consequences. Of course he has to be arrested and charged - he murdered someone!

I think it's you who needs to learn how to read and have some lessons in comprehension.
Bertrand did not say she wanted the man put away. She wanted the process of law followed...and that is what has happened.
Bertrand also retracted the word murder and said 'killed' but that doesn't suit your prejudiced mind as you choose to ignore that.
Whales You are starting to look very silly.

@WhalesofYore - it's interesting In this case how the lefties on here on one hand rediscovered their respect for law and order when it seemed like it would give them their desired outcome of an old man being dragged through the legal system for defending himself, while at the same time were accusing anyone that questioned them of having a mob mentality, and being perfectly happy to accuse murder despite the case not even appearing in court. Hypocrisy doesn't even cover it.

stitchglitched

It's strange that the posters who felt that the reported facts supported self defence are being accused of having no respect for due process, rushing to judgement without evidence etc despite the police decision proving them correct. Yet posters who called him a murderer, said he should be charged, he used unreasonable force and ought to bypass the police for an automatic trial are managing to position themselves as being the none knee jerk, sensible, law respecting ones.

Precisely - that's where the pro-burglar bias lies, in their approach to the entire case, wrapped in a disingenuous cloak of respect for the law that is mysteriously slanted against the victim.

Actually Bert didn't want the law followed- she said she didn't think the police should be allowed to determine if it was self defence and that he should be charged and put in front of a jury!

I am not a leftie. Not wanting the state to overreach it’s powers is absolutely not the preserve of the left!

Gottagetmoving

Bertrand did not say she wanted the man put away. She wanted the process of law followed...and that is what has happened.

Nope - you learn to read. The key word in her statement - apart from murdered of course - is charged. You don't express the view that someone is a murderer and that they should be arrested and charged on that basis unless you want them to be convicted on that ground.

Basic logic, basic English, basic fail on your part.

stitched
That is disingenuous in my view. Bert wanted due process followed. She didn’t realise the police and CPS have a discretion not to charge so assumed trial would be the correct route.
Your argument is built on sand.

Precisely - that's where the pro-burglar bias lies, in their approach to the entire case, wrapped in a disingenuous cloak of respect for the law that is mysteriously slanted against the victim

You have a real problem understanding Law, don't you?
The process as is, has to be followed. It's there to protect both parties in this and any other case until all facts are known.
YOU seem to want the police to set their own laws by ignoring current laws.
If this process didn't suit you, get your MP to raise it in parliament. Don't start accusing those who are bright enough to understand the law on being on anyone's 'side'

I think suggesting that Bert knows so little about how our criminal justice system that she didn't know that there was an option not to charge is pretty insulting to her tbh, especially when a vast amount of this thread (including contributions from police officers) has been a discussion about whether or not charges should be brought! Also Bert made it pretty clear that it was her view that a trial should happen, not that she thought there was no other option.

I thought the law had changed that if you were in your home and someone forced themselves into your residence you could use reasonable force to protect yourselfv

The fact the burglar got the man in the kitchen and was holding a screwdriver and the other burglar went upstairs where I assume his wife was he tried to get the screwdriver out of the mans hand and stabbed him. It is of course the police duty to carry out a full investigation but the fact he’s been released without further charge says a lot.

Just to show the pro-burglars how massively their fringe views are out of step with public opinion:

Following the arrest of a 78 year old man on suspicion of murder after a suspected burglar was stabbed to death in his home, 61% of Brits say that it should be legal to use enough force to kill to defend their home – only 19% say this shouldn't be legal.

twitter.com/YouGov/status/982220998232629250

The UK is not a social justice warrior country yet, and thank fuck for that!

Who is pro-burglar?

I see lots of pro-due process posters, lots of pro-stuff is less valuable than someone's life but no-one advocating burglary as a desirable profession.

Full disclosure. I did not know that the Police had the discretion not to charge. I knew the CPS did.

So you didn't want him charged and put in front of a jury then, despite repeatedly saying you did? Ok.

Whales
Nobody is pro-burglar

Yes I did. I think that when somebody is killed there should be a proper investigation into the circumstances. The fact that the police came to their conclusion that there was no case to answer so quickly means that there must have been very compelling evidence. Which some posters on here seem to have been privy to!

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude - yet your happy for the state to intervene when someone defends themselves from a criminal. Righto

Just to show the pro-burglars how massively their fringe views are out of step with public opinion

The fact you keep calling anyone 'pro burglar' demonstrates your lack of comprehension.
Posters have been pro due process.
Public opinion is not law. It's opinion.
Why you can't understand that until the law is changed so that people can just kill intruders with no questions asked that the current process has to be adhered to, is baffling.

Stirner- do you think that anything goes if you feel you are defending yourself? How do you feel about the Tony Martin case?

So why not just own that view then- that you think if someone dies then there should automatically be a trial? Instead of lecturing others about not wanting to follow due process when you also want to ignore it! I am quite happy to state that I think all force against an armed intruder should be deemed reasonable (once it has been proved that they are an intruder of course) but I am well aware that my view is at odds with the current law and am happy to acknowledge that.

Gottagetmoving

Public opinion is not law. It's opinion.
Why you can't understand that until the law is changed so that people can just kill intruders with no questions asked that the current process has to be adhered to, is baffling.

I understand the current state of the law just fine. The point is that the law is out of step with public opinion, and if they can find the time, it would be an excellent thing for a Conservative government to rectify.

The point is that the law is out of step with public opinion

It would be difficult to gauge public opinion without taking it from every single citizen.
You can't trust random opinion polls. You can't trust the likes of Twitter or social media either, because it's not wholly representative of the population.