AIBU about Hadley Freeman?

[NoSquirrels]

She’s a bit of a crush of mine.

I’ve always loved her writing. But this week she wrote this about 80s movies which is so good.

www.theguardian.com/film/2018/mar/27/1980s-favourite-film-decade-top-gun-stand-by-me-hadley-freeman

She’s been all over the anti-Semitism protests and other issues.
And now she has articulated what I’ve been trying politely to say for ages about the Self ID issue.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/mar/31/man-explains-what-means-be-woman?CMP=ShareiOSAppOther

Please have a read! Then if she’s convinced you sign the petition.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

If she hasn’t feel free just to ignore or talk about 80s movies here, or general women-journalists-who-rock, or your own inappropriate crushes.

Stillscreaming what's the point of all that? We know lesbians were hated then. We were there. Lesbians are still hated now, and particularly by TRAs.

It remains true that being trans is a high-status position and being a lesbian is a low-status position, whether you measure it by governmental support, or by how the two groups are treated within LGBT+ circles, or anything else.

I don't think we are currently subject to those laws in the UK.

But Id now like to bring your attention to PosieParker, a long-time MNetter and tweeter, who has been threatened with being subject to a test case of similar 'hate speech' laws in the UK. For speaking the truth, for repeating facts (facts already in the public domain) on twitter.

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fighting-for-free-speech-in-uk

Its not about trans people. Its about male people. You know, those who commit nearly all sexual crime (and almost all violent crime too)

Unless its scaremongering of course. As everyone knows male people are harmless?

Sorry, forgot my NAMALT disclaimer there. As its always needed...even though it should be obvious.

@ Terftastic

Trying to have someone arrested, is meaningless. I could try and have you arrested because I don't like your shoes. I'm sure the copper would take a few minutes to smile and nod before walking away.

@C8H10N4O2

No, I haven't needed to do research on impact, the government have done that for me. The laws have been found to be so successful, that they are now looking at extending them to a sort of third gender category. The judicial review type thing that we have here has been unable to find evidence of a single GRC being applied for fraudulently and the take up has been lower than expected.

@ArcheryAnnie

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/03/15/anti-trans-activists-hit-out-at-parasitic-trans-people-at-event-in-parliament/

If you want an example of lying to women in a way that puts them in danger. The poster directly underneath where I originally posted my reasons, claimed that women would be arrested for hate crimes, if they called the police on someone committing a sex crimes in front of them.

This is a perfect example of a moral panic, it's a lie, it's dangerous because it might cause a woman not to report a crime, and it's the threat of male violence being used to make a women carry out an act, in this case sign a petition, that she might not have carried out otherwise.

Here's the link:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3200824-to-ask-why-you-wouldn-t-sign-the-petition?pg=27

Interesting article, and turn in this thread.

Reading the article I was struck by the similarity between:

(1) the pro-self IDing movement seeking to shut down opposition from biological women in order to create a safe space for themselves (ironically the very thing women want to preserve for themselves by keeping the debate moving forward);

and

(2) the increasingly vocal opposition by a section of the Jewish community to anyone who is a non-Jewish expressing views which aren’t flagrantly pro-Zionist, to the point of being branded anti-Semitic (I’m not commenting specifically on the mural here).

In both cases, if you’re not 100% for them in closing off space for respectful disagreement or a willingness to compromise and live in a grey area - well you’re against them. It’s totalitarian.

L’air du temps. There’s extremism all around these days.

Oh FGS stillscreaming. Way to miss the point - to miss every point put to you.

The point is, under Canadian hate speech laws, he could have had her arrested. Only he couldn't find her. He only had a picture of her at a Canadian Women's March holding the placard. He appealed on social media, but couldn't find her identity.

I suppose you'll deny that PosieParker was interviewed under police caution in the UK and told they were going for a test case with her now? Under new hate speech directives. Because, you know, you weren't there, you didn't actually witness the interview. And without seeing the evidence, you won't believe it. That's a nice place you have there. Denial. "Nothing bad can happen in denial".

And you've linked to Pink News as a verifiable news source, which is such a joke.

They're the worst. Are they now sanctioning incest between twins of the same gender, or did I misread? And one of their white journalists has identified as black to attend an LGBT function. Because he can obviously self ID as black, he had a black stepmother..

Actually, is that last one even true, I can't actually believe it. Perhaps this is all a dream.

Can you say Claig?

On the thread that @stillscreaming has kindly posted about reasons not to sign the petition, @PencilsinSpace has posted responses to all screaming’s objections.

Transgendertrend have a very slick website that was obviously very expensive to put together

Looks like a wordpress theme to me. They are rarely expensive (in fact usually free).

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/3200824-to-ask-why-you-wouldn-t-sign-the-petition?pg=28

Link to pencil's excellent rebuttal - starting at 02:31.

Hi Stillscreaming.

As someone under investigation for factual tweets, which are being viewed for Mal comms, I'm delighted to inform you that your comments tick boxes (for real) in Mal comms.

Iran....

Definitely easier to be trans than gay. (As in most homophobic patriarchal religions)

Bloody hell, I thought they'd be coming for the gays next.

stillscreaming

I am surprised you haven't addressed your misunderstanding of the GRC and what it means.

You do understand what getting a GRC actually means at the moment under UK law?

(and you are speaking to someone who has a GRC)

I'm quite happy to address that in another thread, if you want to start one, but I'm going to leave the other side to address the antisemitism in their ranks here. I think that's more important.

Hadley Freeman is brilliant. I have loved her since her first fashion columns. I am not surprised by her article as she has always seemed a realist and a feminist.

I am also extremely concerned about the antisemitism on this thread.

No, I haven't needed to do research on impact, the government have done that for me.

Feel free to cite it - then look at the sources, follow the money funding the TRAs. Try reading something which doesn't simply echo your own agenda - that is what I did which is how I came to change my views on this over recent years.

Maria Miller ignored professional bodies (working with, and supporting trans people) in favour of TRA funded organisations in her "consultation" - it was a joke.

I've never come across plum before but have reported that post. Please stop with the antisemitism in our ranks nonsense.

Can you report me too, since it is all the rage and I wouldn't like to be left out? Thanks.

@stillscreaming, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.