To ask all Irish women to please show solidarity today?

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Please join the rallies in support of the victim in belfast today,theres rallies in Dublin belfast and cork. Enough is enough and we can not take this one lying down. Show support to the brave young woman and lets not have this trial be in vain.
Something has to change.

Stillscreaming I have already signed and shared 🤞

We don't have to accept the 'givens'. A lot of givens have gone by the wayside because of women's determination not to accept them, even without solidarity from other women.

Maybe the solidarity all over the island us a good outcome here? But it is is a shocking case, so soon after the Ann Lovett anniversary. Hard to see progress really. We have to keep on fighting.

The need for very thorough re-education on consent has been highlighted in no uncertain terms.

I have already signed and shared

Well done that woman! We are already 40,000.

Im delighted that this thread got such a response. Hope to see everyone that can make it tomorrow at Dublin city hall!

Signed and shared.

Season moving on now. But I doubt they will get involved other than as an employer. But tell me now, what employer can sack someone for being found not guilty.

It's not similar to an employer situation though players are selected and deselected for a whole raft of reasons and conduct of a player such as paddy jacksons could absolutely be enough grounds to deselect him. Plus I'm sure there are plenty of employers that could and would fire someone for those what's app messages employees represent their company and I'm not aware of many that would want to be seen to condone that behaviour.

Petition signed and shared up 45,000 now.

Just on the petition, what’s the point of it?
They literally came out on the same day and said they would be conducting a disciplinary review, why start a petition after that announcement to petotition them to do something they’ve already stated they’d be doing?

Just on the petition, what’s the point of it?

I don't think that it's unfair to say that these kind of 'reviews' in sport are often little more than back covering exercises, by the bodies that conduct them.

45,000 people are clearly saying that they are being watched and will be held accountable. Along with the #suemepaddy hashtag, it gives a very strong indication of public feeling; public feeling equals ticket sales. Rugby bosses might not care very much about misogyny but they care about ticket sales.

That Jackson is unlikely to play for Ireland again, will moderate sportsmen's behaviour in a way that they courts couldn't.

It also sends a clear message of support to the victim.

I don't think they did anything wrong questioning her like they did.

There is a video on the suemepaddy hashtag of an Australian tv show where a defense attorney is asked if it was his daughter was raped, would he persuade her to go to court. He replies that if she didn’t want to he wouldn’t encourage her and then breaks down in tears.

Boulshired. Relevance?

@lostjanni

Here is a news report of what happened in court.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/laughter-jeers-and-scoffs-from-public-gallery-at-woman-were-shocking-36761337.html

There must be some way that justice can be served and rape complainants don't have to be exposed to this.

That report about the behaviour in the public gallery is shocking! I’ve signed and chipped in a couple of quid as well.

Stillscreaming their would not have been public access to a rape trial in the Republic of Ireland it is a closed shop neither complainant or accused are identified. What this trial has done though is given us an insight into how rape trials are conducted and shown us how utterly incompetent they are and highlighted that change needs to happen

The situation would have been different in thr rest of the U.K. too, the Perspex that the public gallery is encased in, is a legacy of 'the Troubles' and not seen anywhere else. The judge couldn't have pretended not to have heard, what was happening.

I'm also curious that the reporting restrictions on what was said in open court but not in front of the jury, haven't been lifted yet. I understand that this is unusual and a couple of Irish broadsheets will be challenging it on Tuesday.

I won't be signing or attending anything about this case in particular, because I don't know the facts and I don't believe her... Not because I know she is isn't telling the truth but because I don't know if she is... The same as everyone else.
People criticise this case because it relates to so called celebrities but are jumping on the bandwagon for exactly this reason.
I have no problem with the concept of discussing how rape trials are prosecuted and fully want and support this, but the assumption of guilt despite been found not guilty is worrying. It shouldn't be about a single case.
And no irony is shown in the people saying she wouldn't do it for fame and money and then setting up crowdfund pages for her. What about other girls who have been through this, where are there crowdfund pages, or because it wasn't by celebrities there is less interest?

@Lichtie you can read the articles linked to in this thread. It doesn't matter whether you believe her or not, but what's obvious is that this trial was disgusting and the way the rugby players behaved was obscene.

I find it bizarre that so many people commenting on the #suemepaddy on Twitter in his defence are using the female witness as their "proof" that he is innocent.

The female witness completely contradicted Paddy Jackson by saying she saw him having sex with the woman - he denies it. So she didn't prove anything. And if she's to be believed then he's a liar... So many people (defence lawyers included) trying to have that one both ways.

@ Lichtie

I believe this woman was raped but you're entitled to your opinion and it's accurate to say that these men were found not guilty. I'd just point out that there's a difference between being raped and being able to prove you were raped to the standard needed to obtain a conviction.

However, the Watsap messages that they sent the following day aren't open to question, they've admitted sending vile, myisognistic messages about her in open court, after the messages were found on their phones. On the basis of these massages alone, I don't think that they are fit to wear an Irish jersey again. There is no question, that this woman was sent home, bleeding from internal injuries and sobbing. The taxi driver saw that. They show a contempt for women that should never be cheered as part of our national team.

As for money, the only person I can see trying to make a few euro out of this is Paddy Jackson, he's the one trying to sue, not the young woman involved.

@Bwatchwatcher.. It does matter though. If they are genuinely not guilty and this is what it took to convince the jury that she was not telling the truth then why should they not be allowed a defence.
Yes they behaved obscenely, but that doesn't mean they are guilty. They behave this way because they have done it before, with girls who willingly do it because they are 'celebrities'. Some of them will regret it some of them won't, but doesn't mean they were raped. Until people stop falling at their feet and pandering to their whims nothing will change.

I'm disgusted the woman has been publicly named on social media despite victims having life long anonymity. One of the jurors is in trouble for making comments online yesterday and may be held in contempt of court. From reading the media coverage, the NI media gave much more detail on the case than roi media.

Madhouse... She will never officially be named without her consent, but it's almost impossible to stop people getting named. Someone always knows who the person is and social media is so easy to create false profiles or just to mention it.
Plenty of people have known who the alleged victim was before the case even started as it was already on social media.

Until people stop falling at their feet and pandering to their whims nothing will change.

I think you've got a point here, the sense of entitlement that some men have over women's bodies is at the root of this problem. That's why over 50,000 people have signed a petition asking that they not play for Ireland Rugby again.

If you do recognise this behaviour for what it is, I think you should consider adding your name. Don't pander to their whims.

I believe her. Just because there was not enough evidence to convict does not mean she does not feel that she was raped. They tore her for gods sake, she has obviously suffered. How she has been treated is appalling. Especially by the one who is showing absolutely no remorse. At least the other one is sensible enough to realise the damage he has caused even if you believe that he did not intend to rape her.

I absolutely agree, @windchimesabotage I find it hard not to believe her in view of the bleeding and her distress. Sex is supposed to be enjoyable for the woman as well as for the man, isn't it? At the very least the men were far too rough and it doesn't sound like she got any pleasure out of the experience at all.