To wish that going for a first trimester abortion was seen like have a tooth out?

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Without all the societal guilt and judgement heaped upon women?
I really wished it was viewed as a bog standard procedure, I’m sure women would feel a lot more in control of their reproductive health if it was.

MissDuke Its not really possible to answer that question as it means different things to different people. So there is no definitive answer without a more specific question.

I think of it as roughly just 'growing cells' in the first trimester, then a grey area until birth which becomes a natural time to consider it a 'baby'. The law roughly supports that but I think the grey area should be left for a mother to decide for herself what it means to her and not impose artificial legal timescales.

“when is it a baby/human then in your opinion?“

Once again, this is something for each individual woman to decide. I am very lucky that I have never had an unwanted pregnancy, so mine were potential babies/ humans from the minute the blue line appeared. For other women it is very different,

You are honestly comparing deliberately ending the life of your unborn child, to getting a tooth whipped out.

How fucking disgusting.

I absolutely agree and defend woman's right to control over her own body and have termination if she needs too.

But it is a life changing decision, because your making the descion to end a life whether yours is changed by the terminating that life or by keeping it..but you are changing the course of someone else's life.

Strange comment earlier that it wasn't a life changing descion so no I don't think it should ever be common place like taking a tooth out..People should have to think about it and yes done with no judging etc.

My life was changed by a descion not to abort.

Maybe read the thread?

For every woman, the situation is different and feeling and reactions will be different. That’s fair enough.

Insisting that women attend counseling, and have to convince two doctors, is ridiculous. If you would trust a woman with a child, then presumably you can also trust her to make a decision on abortion? These barriers should be removed.

Sorry, that baby was me so
.but I would absolutely have termination if I fell pregnant now but I could never be so glib as to say it wasn't a life changing descion!

It's fine to take in women's feelings but a baby on the the way is a fact in motion.

For some it will be a life changing decision. For some it won’t be. Nobody’s business but the woman concerned.

kalinka agree about the convincing doctors etc

I have rice tken the morning after pill. Not life changing at all.

I couldn't disagree more Bertrand.

A baby on the the way is a life starting. You can't feeling or interpret that away.

It's just fact. If you terminate the you change the life course of that livebaby, if you keep it, same thing.

I thought one took a pill after unprotected sex...

I did nt realise you could take one after it was confirmed conception took place?

Oh, life changing for the potential baby? Yes, you could say that, I suppose.

Snow The morning after pill stops implantation from taking place. Conception has taken place and the egg has moved to implant but it can't. So anyone who has taken the MAP and calls someone for having an abortion just a couple of weeks later, really has no place because they've prevented a life too.

I totally agree with you OP. We would have a better society if we didn’t stigmatize abortion so much and if it was a default consideration for everyone with an unplanned pregnancy.

I agree OP.
One third of women in the UK have had an abortion. I was amazed when I found this out.

And I don't care when an egg is a baby. It is still up to the woman to decide.

I was really shocked to find out that the same arguments were used to argue against contraception in the past. The anti contraception movement argued that the pill was killing babies.

Its all just emotional blackmail to make women feel bad.

I used to work in the City back in 2000, I remember a clinic offering Lunch Hour abortions. A few hundred quid, they'd get you sorted quickly, then back at the desk.

Mind you, the City was different back then. I also remember a memo going out about not snorting coke 'at the desk'.

Most women who go for a termination report using contraception (60%+)

crunchy and a lot of the time it's men who say it as well. Probably men who want sex sex sex all the time and don't like wearing condoms

YABU
A sad and insensitive world we’d create if we equated abortion with tooth extraction.
The ‘sensitivity’ around abortion reflects the respect we have as a society for human life, so it’s entirely natural that it should be so.
(Sensitivity doesn’t mean pouring bile or judgement on people though)

I don't think it should be taken lightly as it can really affect the woman emotionally and pathologically. Some men force women to use early abortion or evenplate abortion as birth control and that would be easier if it were seen as nothing.

I have no judgment for anyone who has an abortion but I don't think it's nothing to alot of women.

(As an aside I keep thinking how horrible having my wisdom tooth out just was so I'm really hoping an early abortion isn't actually anything like that! Not meant to trivialize but I didn't find it a small thing.)

YANBU.

It would be great for all women to be able to be able to access abortion when needed, without worrying about the stigma and judgement from others.

As pp's have said, multiple terminations are preferable to multiple unwanted children (pro-lifers don't seem to have much to say about it all beyond the 'precious life' carry on, not much thought for the practicalities of continuing with an unwanted pregnancy.