People who don't make an effort with their appearance.

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What do you think of people who don't do anything to look attractive?

I don't mean washing and basic hygiene. I mean those who don't dress well, wear make up or keep themselves healthy.

Why don't people want to be pleasant to look at?

If I’m clean (or passable!) and dressed, I’m totally fine as far as I’m concerned. I wear fleeces and jeans or leggings most days, I wear makeup once per month probably, my hair is often in a messy bun, I haven’t plucked my eyebrows in literally months... but I’m so much happier now, being comfortable and relaxed in my own skin, than I ever was when I felt I had to try really hard. I still take pride in my body by eating well and exercising but that’s for me, no one else. I literally could not care less what other people think about how I look.

reallyanotherone It’s entirely subjective though. You may think you look the “best version” of yourself. You may think you look your best. But as i said up thread, personally i haven’t met anyone i think looks better with make up. So i think your “best version” is your natural one.

I am the arbiter of what my best version is - it's the one where I gently emphasise my best bits and blur the not so good bits.

It makes me feel good. Is this somehow wrong?

Am I imagining that there is some sort of snobbery from some posters who criticise others wearing make up - in that they look so good, they don't need it? They probably don't have red eyelids, invisible eyelashes and eyebrows that don't match their colouring and large patches of freckled skin that actually make my face look grubby.

Those pictures of really heavily made up women are just people following a fad, it's not the norm. And the people who do regularly use make up are probably mostly like myself, buffing up and blurring out.

It takes me 10 mins to put on my makeup. Anyone would think a 5 hour slog in the beautician's is needed before make-up wearers go out in public.

The term pig in knickers has oft been used in my presence.

Putting make up in will make me a painted pig in knickers.

I prefer to live in the shadows.

I don't have to look at myself, and I do not care what others think, so it doesn't really matter does it?

Oh ffs. The reason some non make up wearing posts have been defensive was obviously because THE OP WAS BEING CRITICAL OF US. Nowhere was there an op from a non make up wearing person slagging off a make up wearer. Tbh I don't give a toss who wears what but I will defend myself and be critical verbally aloud of my thoughts if I am being judged. I don't wear make up. Main reason is I have no interest. It is not because I think I am a stunner. I am happy in myself. My partner loves the way I look and know he doesn't admire the make up look so a bonus for me. We are not all the same so why should we all look like fucking stepford wives. Find something else to focus on

I don't wear make up - I can't stand the feeling of it on my skin so have never bothered. I'm no stunner but also people don't run away in terror when they look at me so I guess I'm not too hideous.

I don't know if I dress well, I'm a jeans and t-shirt/hoody person. I wear dresses for special occasions.

Not sure what you mean by keeping healthy? I currently have a sore throat and cough from hell. I blame my kids for that (though they're all fine!) I'm obese, but trying not very enthusiastically to do something about it. Food is just so damn nice!

I have no idea if I'm pleasant to look at and I don't particularly care, I dress for myself not for other people.

I don't really notice other people either and think they aren't dressed well unless it's really really noticeable ( like they smell or something) I don't notice make up/lack of make up apart from the orange look, with the thick sharpie eyebrows that's very eye catching.

I put on makeup every day, jewellery and nice clothing. I like to look good. But that’s my choice. My fiancé thinks I look better / more beautiful without makeup but I actually love makeup!

I thought you were being shallow at first, OP. When I read your last post I realised this is probably ALL about your ex's thoughtless, cruel comment after you gave birth to HIS child! He's knocked your confidence. So, 1: try not to drip feed. 2: advise ex to go for counselling to consider why his focus was more on your appearance after giving birth, rather than having a lovely, new (hopefully healthy) baby? Prick! 3: Sod the women with perfect hair, make up, clothes and the men that drool over them! Who wants a drooler anyway? Concentrate on yourself and getting your confidence back.

Oh ffs. The reason some non make up wearing posts have been defensive was obviously because THE OP WAS BEING CRITICAL OF US

There's a difference between defensive and offensive, you know?

If you can't defend your position without offending others or reducing your argument to name calling and belittling then you really need to step back and ask why the OP bothered you so much.

As I said previously, some days I wear a full face, some days I wear none. I've just been to the shop with dripping wet hair and a freshly washed face because I wanted coffee and the fuck was I waiting until my hair dried for my coffee. Later, I am going out and will be styling my hair and applying makeup.

So, what am I? Overinvested in myself, self absorbed and lacking in self-esteem or too lazy? I can't be both, surely?

I thought you were being shallow at first, OP. When I read your last post I realised this is probably ALL about your ex's thoughtless, cruel comment after you gave birth to HIS child! He's knocked your confidence.

Yes, if OP had included why she was posting, in the first post, she wouldn't have had so many judgemental and defensive posts, because many people only bother to read the first post. People should at least read all the OP's posts before commenting. (Although obviously, the early posters didn't have any other posts from OP to go on.)

What would you wear on an aeroplane ? Surely, it depends where you are going and what you will be doing when you arrive eg business or holiday. Do you expect every female to dress in high heels and cashmere ? Not very practical clothes if you are going on a hiking holiday in the rain for 2 weeks...

I wear less make-up now as it doesn't suit me at 46. The money I have saved goes on skincare which gives me a lot of pleasure. I have a room dedicated to my rituals.
I came out of the womb loving this shit and I am not going to apologise for it.

I only wear makeup for work. I can’t be arsed making an effort with my appearance, plus I get leered at when I do but left alone if I’m a scruff!

what are you frequency ? tbh i really have no interest in you or your daily routine. i mean that literally and not in a bitchy way. i really don't care what you do

Okay I'll bite. Yes, however good looking you are, how you present yourself in public does have an effect on how you're perceived, and judged. It just does.
Jonathan Rhys Meyers is absolutely stunning to look at (I think anyway).
But if he walked past like this, even if he wasn't carrying a bottle of vodka, you wouldn't think so.

@notasinglefucktogive Its off topic but I met Johnny Rhys Meyers on the first series of tudors (mum was working on the crew). He rode up to me on a horse and introduced himself. 😍

He can look that scruffy and I still would.

WTAF!

I don't wear makeup but I spend a fortune at the hairdresser and wear nice others etc. Does my lack of war paint make me less attractive or is it that I'm already so attractive* I don't feel the need for makeup?

*Defo not

I wear a uniform to work which is a polyester frigging nightmare on the eyes, and looking nice whilst evacuating tube trains or "scotch and clipping" (too long to explain here, it's a track thing) isn't a priority tbh. Scraped up hair in a ponytail and a hint of lippy is the minimum. Outside work, if I can be bothered, I put some make up on and jeans with a naice top, but that's it. A dress is for weddings, christenings and funerals imo.

how you present yourself in public does have an effect on how you're perceived, and judged. It just does

Does that include whether you wear make up or not?

I usually wear make up, I look better with it. I generally"make an effort". I don't really care if people don't wear makeup - each to her own and all that; that said the majority of my friends wear a bit of make up most of the time.

And yes, I do judge people who wear full make up for the school run, however I would never judge someone who wears a little make up all day.

Well aren't you nice, judging women who wear full makeup on the school run. I'm very curious, what's your judgment? What do you think it means about them?

It's odd how I think a lot of the previous posts seemed to come from a place of thinking that women who do wear makeup judge those who don't, when it obviously goes the other way too.

The phrase 'hair scraped up' makes me shudder so much, anyone else? The idea of scraping your hair and skin. 'Hair tied up' seems more accurate and less painful sounding!

I'm really not sure why so many people on here have such hatred of make up. It's a huge industry and the overwhelming majority of women wear it regularly.

For me, I'm one of those women.

I can categorically say.

My skin looks fantastic, all dewy and even thanks to miss Chanel.
My grey under eyes, disappear thanks to mr Armani.
My sparse over plucked in the 80s eye brows look more even and naturally fuller thanks to mizz Bobbi brown.
My cheeks look naturally flushed due to the maestros at nars.
My sparse eyelashes look thicker and fuller due to the geniuses at Lancôme.
My lips look plumper due to the crew at Mac.

Do I go out without it, sure. Do I look better with it. Oh yes. Do I lack confidence, not even slightly. You could level many accusations at me. Lack of confidence in my appearance isn't one of them.😁

Makeup is bloody fun! I enjoy it so much. I get such a kick out of the creativity and being able to alter my appearance in whatever way I wish each morning. Sneering at people who do or don't wear it isn't a good look.

Someone asked upthread why certain make up techniques are considered attractive, eg red lipstick, eyeliner etc... I don’t know if anyone has answered that already, but if not:

Make up colours and types don’t happen by accident. They are designed to help the wearer emulate two main things. One is youth (so eye make up is generally intended to make the eyes look wider, and skin make up is designed to conceal imperfections and smoothe the skin). The second is sexual arousal (hence red lipstick and pink blusher to mimic an orgasmic flush).

There is a science behind it, of sorts. It isn’t arbitrary.

It’s disappointing that have been so many disparaging comments here from both sides. People who choose not to engage with fashion, make up etc are not necessarily lazy, just as people who enjoy those things are not necessarily vain.