People who don't make an effort with their appearance.

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What do you think of people who don't do anything to look attractive?

I don't mean washing and basic hygiene. I mean those who don't dress well, wear make up or keep themselves healthy.

Why don't people want to be pleasant to look at?

I wake at 5am and quickly shower before downing 2 cups of coffee before leaving my house. I then work for 12.5 hours in a job of which a large proportion of my time is spent cleaning up other people's bodily fluids. To apply makeup / do my hair for this would be madness in my opinion.

Quite like to put a bit of mascara on on my day off though.

Because I enjoy looking my best, I find makeup and clothes fun and creative, and why wouldn't I want to look the best version of myself I can possibly be?

It’s entirely subjective though. You may think you look the “best version” of yourself. You may think you look your best. But as i said up thread, personally i haven’t met anyone i think looks better with make up. So i think your “best version” is your natural one.

You say some people don’t bother because of lack of self confidence- i think it’s the other way round. People wearing make up etc seem to me to be trying to improve themselves- be a “better version” as pointed out. Why isn’t the natural you good enough? What is wrong with your face that you need to change how you look?

Women going without “making an effort” always come across as self confident. They aren’t so insecure they need to be a “better version”. I feel much more confident without “making an effort”, my real self is on show and people can like it or not.

Why don’t men feel the need to be the best version of themselves? Why don’t they look in the mirror and think they need a bit of concealer for their under eye and some foundation to even up skin tone? Why don’t they think they look ill or tired without make up?

I mean those who don't dress well, wear make up or keep themselves healthy

I keep healthy and dress ok but I don’t ever wear make up. The thought that you need to wear make up to show you make an effort with your appearance is ridiculous and sad.

This woman has made an effort with her makeup.

I totally admire people who are confident enough to shove their hair in a pony, slap some baby lotion on instead of moisturiser and chuck on a hoody and jeans to go out. Nothing worse than a trussed up perfectionista with inch thick makeup.

Oh and time. I have better things to do with an hour every morning.

I don’t think anything. I don’t give a hoot what others wear and why would I. I don’t wear make up and I’m happy as long as I’m showered and dressed. I have two young kids. Also some people don’t have the money for new clothes / expensive attire.
So I wouldn’t be judgemental. You probably would think I look a state but I couldn’t care less.

I dont have the time or energy for styled hair and make up. I dont have the money or reason for lovely clothes. I am a lone parent for a sen 3 yr old and a 1 yr old. It just isn't my lost of priorities

It's actually nothing to do with confidence for me, I don't look at non made up people and think 'wow I wish I had that confidence' as I do, it wouldn't bother me at all to go out sans makeup, my face is my face and I'm happy with it. I don't think people who don't wear makeup are necessarily any more or less confident than those who do at all.

It’s entirely subjective though. You may think you look the “best version” of yourself. You may think you look your best. But as i said up thread, personally i haven’t met anyone i think looks better with make up. So i think your “best version” is your natural one.

I agree 100%. 'Best' is completely subjective so given that my own opinion is the only one that really matters to me on this (and I couldn't please everyone even if I wanted to) that's what I go by. I love to look my best, and if I feel that I do according to my own preferences I'm good with that.

My natural self is absolutely 'good enough', that doesn't mean I don't enjoy altering my appearance to look different and better. There's a difference imo between good enough and bloody gorgeous! I prefer to aim for the latter, whether someone else thinks I've achieved it or not.

There are some really nasty sneering posts on this thread from people finding photos of people who are very 'done up' to make fun of them and take the piss which seems uncalled for and a form of bullying to me. No, I don't personally choose the thick heavy contour and brows and false lashes and tan look, but that doesn't give me the right to mock someone who does. I presume they got done up, took a picture, liked it and shared it somewhere, so good for them. Nobody is duty bound to ensure their appearance is deemed acceptable to others, that goes for both ends of the spectrum.

here's what i think op - my general thought is that that are secure/happy in themselves. that they are not vain/self absorbed. I tend to often think that they may well be in a happy secure relationship. It also comes into my head that they probably aren't superficial

There are some really nasty sneering posts on this thread from people finding photos of people who are very 'done up' to make fun of them and take the piss which seems uncalled for and a form of bullying to me

Agree.

The tone of some posts are bit off, imo. I wear make-up regularly, often a full face including highlighter, light contouring etc. And sometimes I wear no makeup at all. As I said in my first post, I am the same person with our without makeup.

I am not self-absorbed, lacking in self-esteem or any of the other accusations being thrown at people who wear makeup. I'm quite the opposite, really but I happen to enjoy makeup and work in a profession which requires me to look groomed.

It's a bit sad that my personality and worth as a person is judged on how much make-up I do or don't wear. And those posts are kind of proving OP's point, people judge others on their appearance.

On the bright side, at least my makeup should put off people making those assumptions from befriending me. I might start wearing it every day, to be safe.

There is an assumption by 98% of the people on this thread (and in real life) that made up= best version/ took trouble/ cares about appearance/ healthy self esteem.

The people who don't find make up and grooming particularly attractive are just saying: "To me made up =/= cares about appearance! I care about my appearance and think people look better bare faced."

I think society in general is nasty and sneering to assume that bare faced women don't care about their appearance/ are not the best version of themselves. This is such a widespread and normal point of view that it is not recognised as nasty.

Because I have the confidence to go without makeup and would rather have 20 minutes extra in bed.

I think society in general is nasty and sneering to assume that bare faced women don't care about their appearance/ are not the best version of themselves. This is such a widespread and normal point of view that it is not recognised as nasty

I agree with this. I don’t wear make up. It’s not because I don’t care about my appearance, or because I don’t care about being the best version of myself. I do care about my appearance, and think my appearance is fine without make up. Nice, even.

The tone of some posts are bit off, imo

I agree, from both camps. Saying women who wear make up lack confidence, and women who don't, don't care about their appearance.

Why slag others off. If you feel You look great, good for you. Why the need to put others down for making different choices to you? The desire to do so would indicate you don't feel so great about your appearance. Wear make up, don't wear make up. Your call. But I'd ask myself why I was so defensive about it and felt the need to put others down.

Bottom line. You're still going to look like you when you look in the mirror. They are still going to look like them when they do. Spewing bile ain't going to change that.

Are you normally this shallow op?

I wear make up nearly every day because I don't like my face without it. I've done this since for 20 yrs it is just normal to me but I do it for myself not anyone else

From OP From working in a corporate environment where everyone looks like they're going to a swanky bar. To seeing men drool over women done up to hair and makeup. Ex also admitted to saying I'm unattractive because I don't make the effort. After I'd given birth to our daughter.

I don't think OP is shallow at all. Have experienced and mulled over similar.

Havent worn make up in decades. Lovely sunny Monday and I'm not in an office because I made enough money by WORK not to have to be.

Red and black circles don't equal success.

Because I'd rather have the extra sleep in the morning (and it's not good for your skin/hair to constantly be slathered and styled). I go as far as dressing properly and brushing my hair, but it's a nice surprise/noticeable for people when I do make an effort. I look like I've been dug up half the time at work, but then there's no one I'm trying to impress.

The only thing I am against is people wearing PJs out - now that is utter slobbing

I can’t be arsed.

And I care a LOT less than I used to about what people think of me. Getting older is very liberating.

I keep myself clean. Anything on top of that is a bonus and usually reserved for special occasions. I like to get dressed up for a special occasion. It’s almost like ‘putting on’ a character. I wouldn’t want to do it all the time though. Just too expensive and time consuming.

Or ‘putting on a costume’ would be more accurate. Just being a slightly different version of me for an evening every now and then.

I definitely look better with light make up than none.
I'm very pale and if I go make up free, people constantly ask me if I'm not feeling well.
I believe that if a person feels good in themselves and projects that, then who cares if others don't like false eyelashes, fake tan or conversely a scrubbed face.
I think it's very important to learn to appreciate and celebrate our physical being.
When I was growing up, I wish I'd understood and valued my body and appearance from a health point of view as well as how superficially attractive I was deemed to be.
Healthy mind, healthy body, self esteem and self confidence are all part and parcel of what makes someone attractive.

I agree with Cream. I am a very physically active person and sporty, and I very rarely wear makeup (except the odd night out, wedding, etc.). To me, self confidence and self esteem have little to do with wearing make up - and I find the message that 'you're worth it' etc, and that wearing make up is synonymous to confidence and self worth are so, so wrong.

And yes, I do judge people who wear full make up for the school run, however I would never judge someone who wears a little make up all day.

I love a bit of slap, I love serums, creams and unguents. Love them. They make me happy. I have no beef with anyone who finds these things unappealing.

I don't mean washing and basic hygiene. I mean those who don't dress well, wear make up or keep themselves healthy.

Well being healthy and not dressing 'well' or wearing make up are not the same thing for a start. I am a fitness finatic and keep myself as healthy as I can. I never wear make up however and dressing 'well' is subjective.

Why don't people want to be pleasant to look at?

Mostly because I couldn't give a fuck about the judgy twats in the world. I do what I do and wear what I wear for ME.