To think Mumsnet is OBSESSED

[AccidentalKylie]

I used to read Mumsnet because it was a lot of clever, funny women talking about stuff I was interested in, but it's become a one issue forum. It's exhausting.

oopse Freudian slip live up to!

I would like to see ordinary transpeople speak up against trans ideology, too.

I agree but I can really see why that would be hard.

I don't want to sleep with other men. I am not homophobic.
I don't want to sleep with 99.99% of women either, but I am not gynophobic.
I don't want to sleep with a prostitute, but I do not object to them as people.
I have sexual preferences, and accept they may change over time, but right now I know things that turn me on and things that turn me off. A beautiful looking woman with a penis turns me off, and a bearded man with a vulva likewise.

Must I be made to feel wrong for this?

I would like to see ordinary transpeople speak up against trans ideology, too

I have spoken up. I have had online abuse from trans activists - I have been blocked by Lily Madigan. I have also had online abuse from some feminists who are gender critical just for saying I am trans. I have had anonymous abuse in the workplace and complaints made against me just because I am trans.

I only fear this is going to get worse. When trans people speak up against what's going on, they really stand out compared to the other people who speak up. And they become a target.

I only fear this is going to get worse. When trans people speak up against what's going on, they really stand out compared to the other people who speak up. And they become a target.

This is actually a very serious point. I can see there being a HUGE backlash if this GRA goes through - it’s only going to take a few DM stories about assaults and there will be trouble.
The horrible irony is that these vocal, abusive TRAs will actively damage, people with gender dysphoria, as well as women, young teens who are struggling with their identity and gay/lesbians.

This is what’s so insane about it - the ONLY people who benefit from this are predators, autogynephiles, those who wish to access female spaces and the TRA activists themselves.

I still feel that until this is set out in the mainstream press in a dispassionate way, it’s going through by stealth. If we can get it out into the mainstream people WILL object. Because it’s insanity.

I think you will always get idiots who will hurl abuse, and some may happen to be men, or female, or feminists, or religious... But that is just abusive individuals. As a whole though, the issue isn't with transpeople, it is with the erosion of female rights in order to meet the demands of some transpeople.
There has to be a wider debate about how to address the real needs of transpeople without it being at the expense of some pretty fundamental female rights, plus how to differentiate genuine needs from ideological demands.

I agree about this possibly turning nasty. If self ID goes brought and there are even one or two attacks, the DM will be on it day and night.
Many (thick) people think trans agenda is somehow related to homosexuality, I fear there will be repercussions for both elements.

This petition is so important
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Just had a look in feminist chat, out of the 50 threads on the first page, 3 threads AREN'T about trans/self ID, and even on those have have comments posted fairly early on mentioning it.

OP, YANBU

So stay in AIBU, BumFace. What's it to you?

Italiangreyhound
I feel the authors of the articles linked to are doing a huge disservice to trans people.

I think ordinary trans women should be writing more about ordinary stuff because some of the spokes people for the trans movement are massively shooting ordinary trans people in both feet.

It seems to me that controversial articles, blogs, comments etc are deliberately dug up and posted, along with the implication that they are somehow representative of people who are trans. That's a disservice.

I will certainly raise a to all the frighteningly intelligent women on the FWR board.

It seems to me that controversial articles, blogs, comments etc are deliberately dug up and posted, along with the implication that they are somehow representative of people who are trans. That's a disservice.

In the age of twitter, you don't have to do much digging to find controversy. However, there would be a limited audience for these threads if they were just about shocking stories. There are so many of them because women are genuinely worried about losing single sex spaces and the implications of recognising gender instead of sex.

You could take trans people out of the discussion completely, and women would still be worried about:

any move that created shared unisex spaces by default (hospital wards, refuges),

being defined by some abstract concept of gender (which nobody can actually define),

the loss of the recognition that having female biology (periods every month, risk of pregnancy, actual pregnancy, postpartum health, menopause, time limit for fertility, female fertility treatment, female health issues etc. etc. etc.) has clear, predictable consequences which mean that women need specific services and protections.

Take away all the news stories, and you are still left with an ideology with which, for reasons listed at length, many profoundly disagree.

yetanothertranswoman

I completely agree with your post. Everything is going to get worse, Trans people are also having their voices stifled as a result of TRAs. I have been watching videos on YouTube about ‘TERF Transexuals’, it’s getting beyond a joke now.

You being blocked by Lily Madigan just highlights even more to me that she does not care about woman’s rights. She only cares about the rights of people who agree with her.

So stay in AIBU, BumFace. What's it to you?

I do lama because the chat is more varied here. Who knows if more than 3 threads are on a different subject I might venture on there.

When people are all very cool and breezy about it all, I just would like them to have a little read of the trans widow thread. That is a very sad eye-opener. The ‘trans’ in question are middle aged AGPs, not gender dysphoric, and they are absolutely terrible to their wives/partners in a multitude of ways.

They are not what many consider ‘true’ trans, but they are absolutely under the trans umbrella.

For anyone doubting the capacity of ‘trans’ men to be creepy, controlling, aggressive and manipulative, do please have a read of that thread. The scale of it is shocking.

Sorry, ‘trans’ women, that should have said.

@yetanothertranswoman thank you for standing up to this.

@fascicle "It seems to me that controversial articles, blogs, comments etc are deliberately dug up and posted, along with the implication that they are somehow representative of people who are trans. That's a disservice."

I did not say that article was representative of trans people. If anything I tried to say the exact opposite. However, the fact that anyone on line is saying that women (or men, or anyone) should not be able to express sexual preferences is actually hugely offensive. I do not believe it is representative of trans people in general at all. But it is representative of fuckwitts. I think we are all agreeing the current fuckwittery is not the result of ordinary transexual people.

I know quite a few transfolk. They are, without exception, lovely people and they agree that the TRA agenda is damaging to both women and transwomen/men.

Sadly they are too scared to put their heads over the parapet due to the abuse they receive and my heart goes out to them

I completely agree that these sorts of articles are not representative of transsexuals/'true trans'/men with gender dysphoria, etc.

I disagree that they are rare.

I probably read two or three every day.

There are a multitude of feminist groups who are highlighting this problem. And there are numerous examples of it.

And yes, it's a huge pain in the arse for transsexuals, as much as women.

And the very prevalence of the problem should be alerting people everywhere.

I completely agree that these sorts of articles are not representative of transsexuals/'true trans'/men with gender dysphoria, etc.

I disagree that they are rare.

Also, many of the controversial articles discussed are taken from the Guardian, not obscure blogs.

Well, yes. The Guardian actually ran a series of articles from transwomen. I think, probably, believing that they were being inclusive and progressive.

But as soon as you are aware of AGP and are able to see things through that lens, it takes on an entirely different colour altogether.

The narratives you read from transsexuals, are completely different.

Sadly they are too scared to put their heads over the parapet due to the abuse they receive and my heart goes out to them

I do agree. But women are taking a fuckload of abuse at the moment too.