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To consider going against my own strongly held beliefs about getting married before having children

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KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 14:51

Have name changed as I’m usually woefully sloppy with giving out identifying details about myself, and am a known MNetter in real life, so thought I’d make an attempt at privacy for this. Sorry in advance but this will likely be long.

I have always felt very strongly that I wanted to be married before having children. No judgment on whatever anyone else chooses to do, and I know often the decision is taken out of people’s hands anyway, but I’ve alays felt I wanted to be absolutely committed to someone before deciding to bring a child into the world with them on purpose. Plus the legal protection of marriage plays into my reasoning in no small part. I’ve been 100% sure I will get married before trying for kids for as long as I could possibly have been thinking about such things, it’s never been in doubt for me (and actually I’d have considered it a deal breaker if a partner hadn’t agreed to it)

I am 30, DP is 28 and we’ve been together for 6 years. We are very settled and happy together, he’s a fantastic partner and my best friend. We’ve decided we want to get married, and have been talking about when to have children. We’ve been talking about it for a couple of years actually, but turning 30 ramped it up for me.

We were looking at getting married next year, but even trying to do a wedding on the cheap (big stately home do’s are not us) it was still getting expensive very quickly. We are lucky to have lots of friends and family we really love and would want to share the day with. I tried to cut our potential invite list down to the absolute bare minimum and still couldn’t get it below 70, not including kids. This is a lovely problem to have but it does add up the costs even just in food and drink. I considered briefly eloping or doing it just with immediate family and best friends (which would still take us beyond....30 or 40 people at least!) but I just couldn’t do it, I want the people I love there. So we’ve decided to marry instead in 2020, on a date that’s significant to us and I think worth waiting for, and enables us to save for the wedding we want. I am happy with this decision after a couple of months of worrying how to make it all work, and the pressure of figuring out how to sort it in that time has just gone. But of course this pushes back TTC by at least a year if not more, date is about 2.5 years from now.

So now I’m thinking, why don’t we just try for a baby now? There seem lots of very good reasons to just go for it, and try to have a baby before the wedding. But I’m really going back and forth on myself. DP knows how I’ve always felt about being married first and had agreed with what made me happy, but he doesn’t feel so strongly about it so wants me to be sure of my feelings.

My good reasons include:

  • I know 30 isn’t old, and I’ve no reason to doubt my fertility, but I’m conscious that having your kids younger is generally better for health reasons. I also recently had some cervical cell changes discovered at a smear (it’s fine for now but they’re being monitored as early stage at risk) and the thought that I could put off and put off trying, and then have the choice taken away from me by something like cancer feels me with such deep dread.
  • DP has a medical condition which could impact sperm motility. It’s not for sure, and potentially a low risk, but should it be the case it could take us longer to conceive and I think we should consider that. At the moment time and age are on our side.
  • Our relationship is wonderful and solid. I know I have a true partner in DP, he won’t be ‘babysitting’ his own kids, and he doesn’t ‘help me with the house’, he does his perfect fair share of our life together (if not more at times). He is fair and patient. I can completely rely on him. Marriage would solidify that legally but I don’t have any fears about him leaving or his skills as a parent. He is already a wonderful uncle, in fact he’s probably more child friendly than I am, and ‘Dad’ to our cats. I know he will care for and support me and any children amazingly, whether we’re already married or not.
  • My DDad died very suddenly, young, recently. Both my grandfathers also died young, I didn’t know them. It has brought mine and my other loved ones mortality into focus (unsurprisingly) and I want to make sure my kids know my DM and DPs wonderful parents, who are all already brilliant and involved GPs, and have them around in all our lives for as long as possible. DM is on heart medication and hopefully will live another 30 years, but her DM died when she was 33, and I know she’s always felt her absence in hers and is children’s lives. The longer we wait the less potential time I see.
  • I am close to my siblings and cousins and want my DCs to have that opportunity too. Our sibling’s children are already appearing and I’d love them all to be close in age.
  • We live amongst a great support network of friends and family we can rely on, emotionally and physically. We are very lucky in this regard.
  • Financially we are just about fine. Could always be better of course, but DP is on an upwards trajectory and even as we are now living costs including childcare would be fine. We don’t own our house, but we live near London and prices are nuts. If we waited to own we could be waiting a long time!

So yes, many ticks in the yes box! But what about some cons?

  • We have some debt. Not crazy but needs dealing with, any decision to TTC would have to be accompanied by heavy duty knuckling down to saving and debt repayment, but I think knowing why we were working hard to do that quickly would make it easier.

But number one negative - I fear I will always judge myself for not waiting, for going against my own beliefs that I’ve always held so highly. I’m not worried about anyone else’s thoughts, I don’t think it would bother anyone else at all which way round we did it, but it might well bother me, and I’d hate to have that niggling regret in the back of my mind - I guess that I didn’t meet my own standards for want of a better term.

But I’m conscious that anything can always happen, we can’t plan life to a tee and sometimes maybe we just need to go for it? I am a worrier and do always feel like I need to be in control of ‘the plan’ but recent events have shown me sometimes you really can’t plan.

Fully prepared to be told I’m being utterly ridiculous, but after rolling this around in my head gettings nowhere for a few weeks I thought I’d present it to the wonders of MN and see what you all thought.

So, if you made it this far, thanks! Would be grateful for any advice.

OP posts:
FifiVoldemortsChavvyCousin · 22/03/2018 18:00

OP the problem is terminology.

  1. Legal marriage - conferring legal rights
  2. A blessing in church- without legal meaning
  3. A marriage in church with legal meaning.
  4. A big party in celebration of marriage
  5. A big party in celebration of marriage on the same day as legal/church marriage.

It seems to me that when you say ‘marriage’ you mean number 5.

What most preople think of when you say ‘marriage’ is 1 or 2.

That’s why they are suggesting ways of doing it, when actually you want ‘the full bride experience’.

CoffeAndCream · 22/03/2018 18:02

Get rid of your debt, Elope and have a big party with friends and family to celebrate and get get on with TTC.

I know many couples who put off getting married until after children and it never happened!

A Wedding is one day.........................I had a great time on mine but we kept it small and simple

JoJoSM2 · 22/03/2018 18:05

I just scanned through the posts and to recap:
you're in debt
You're renting, can't afford to buy in the area but want to live there
You want a big expensive wedding and won't compromise on having a reception for 70+ people
You want a child and don't want to wait

To me you just sound away with the fairies financially and not really thinking it though properly but getting fixated on your 'wants' without having an actual medium or long term life strategy.

FissionChips · 22/03/2018 18:07

Is op even Christian? I haven’t read the full thread..

Bekabeech · 22/03/2018 18:10

You can have a cheap church wedding.
Get married in the Church followed by a "pot luck" reception in the Church hall (best wedding I went to that was). Or friends have used fields, and sat on hay bales.
You need to be create not spend money you could use for better things. Ask for help towards the party rather than presents.

ClareB83 · 22/03/2018 18:13

It's absolutely possible to organise a wedding for 70+ guests in short order without spending a fortune.

We just did it. We wanted to start ttc straight away, so got engaged. A week after getting engaged we found out we were pregnant!

We got married 4.5 months later. We married at a large registry office (not religious) with 70 guests. Then had a reception in a function room nearby with 100 guests. It was minimum spend and we spent £2-3k on buffet, drink and a late night top up buffet. DH hired his suit. I did have a fancy dress but my family paid, otherwise I would have gone high street/second hand. We did our own flowers and decor. Doing it in January got us deals on photographer and DJ. M&S cake we decorated ourselves.

Excluding rings and honeymoon we actually got enough gifts to cover the cost of the wedding!

Having the guest list was more important to us than having a stately home or sit down dinner. And I could never have justified a £20k wedding even if we weren't pregnant. But I definitely couldn't imagine having spent that sort of money now as we face me basically not earning for the second half of mat leave.

Schlimbesserung · 22/03/2018 18:16

A friend of mine had a church wedding with just the two of them, the priest and the witnesses. It was simple and lovely and pretty much free except for the cost of the licence (obviously some churches would charge but ours doesn't). They chose a weekday morning and went out for lunch afterwards to celebrate.

Sometimes you just have to adjust your expectations. You can have what you want, just not exactly how you want it. If you insist that a wedding has to have a certain amount of show, or a given number of guests then you will have to either wait or give up on the idea of getting married. But you don't have to, you can do it in a way which doesn't add to a pile of debt and will still be completely unique to you.

Sometimes, the most liberating thing is to say to yourself "I can't have what I want and that is disappointing. Now, what can I do instead?" and work from there.

thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts · 22/03/2018 18:35

If you live in England you can be married in your local parish church whether you go to,church or not. To,find out which is your parish church you can use this website www.yourchurchwedding.org/article/finding-a-church/

It costs around £600for the ceremony. Many churches have halls where you can do a bring and share meal. If the marriage is by banns then these have to be called for three Sundays prior to the wedding but it can be done quickly.

You can always do the legal bit now and then throw party in the summer when the weather is nicer for friends and family.

NameChange30 · 22/03/2018 18:42

“Sometimes, the most liberating thing is to say to yourself "I can't have what I want and that is disappointing. Now, what can I do instead?" and work from there.”

Wise words

willynillypie · 22/03/2018 18:50

This entire thread is so annoying! OP, people are offering you very reasonable choices and being patient and nice, and you are just making excuses at every turn for why things won't work. It was a completely pointless post if you don't actually want to listen to advice.

I was diagnosed with the most severe type of endometriosis and had to have an operation, and because of that my DH and I got married 9 months later and I am now pregnant (miraculously conceived a month after the wedding) because I did want to be married first. We did end up doing a fancy wedding with a church BUT before we had crunched the numbers I made it clear to DH that if we did not have the money for my dream wedding I would 100% prefer to do a registry office and dinner for 10 people at a restaurant. And I meant it. Having a husband and a baby was more important.

A church wedding is peanuts. The party afterwards need not be expensive, as several people have said. Why are you on here if you are refusing to acknowledge this information?

SunnyCoco · 22/03/2018 19:01

@willynillypie couldn’t agree more

ReasonableLlama · 22/03/2018 19:01

You can't have it all so you need to decide what's more important to you.

Personally I would regret not having my ideal wedding as it was rushed due to wanting a baby. I am also like you in that I knew I definitely wanted to be married before having children.

You just need to decide what's more important. And also remember it's no ones business what you do so they shouldn't judge

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 19:03

@willynillypie you clearly missed my later post where I said talking it through was changing my mind and I’d be talking to DP...

OP posts:
ThisIsThe · 22/03/2018 19:06

Marriage before children was important to me. So that is what I did.

Small wedding and then children.

Either it is important to you or it isn’t.

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 19:13

@FissionChips yes I am, but of a very liberal, non-denominational sort. We’ve been moving around so whilst I’ve been consistently going to church is hasn’t been the same one for a few years. We’ve just moved again (and settling now) so will be going to the sister church of my old one.

OP posts:
willynillypie · 22/03/2018 19:19

OP I did - apologies!

KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 19:20

JoJoSM2

I just scanned through the posts and to recap:
you're in debt - yep, but not loads and it’s managable. Will be cleared within a year, without hardship.

You're renting, can't afford to buy in the area but want to live there - yep, lots of people can’t afford to buy in the south east at our age. No one would have kids till 45 if they waited for that. Our entire support network is here, including friends and family who could help us with our future children, including two close friends who are childminders. We could move miles away to buy but have no support at all. Also DPs job is right here, he could do school drop offs and get to work on time.

You want a big expensive wedding and won't compromise on having a reception for 70+ people - I want all the people I love, which luckily for me is a lot. It doesn’t have to be expensive and I never said I wanted it to be. I want to find a way to have everyone without spending too much, which I’ve said.

You want a child and don't want to wait - yes, I think it makes sense to consider how much my fertility will drop off from now and not just assume it will be fine.

OP posts:
KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 19:21

@willynillypie no problem Smile

OP posts:
KirstenRaymonde · 22/03/2018 19:24

@JoJoSM2 the strategy is what I’m trying to figure out here

OP posts:
YellowMakesMeSmile · 22/03/2018 19:28

I don't think having a purpose will help you save better or you would have been doing it already. Planning a child or wedding when in debt an no savings as such is reckless.

I'd clear the debt, get some savings behind you then nip to the registry office before TTC,

MuddlingMackem · 22/03/2018 19:29

If you can afford it, church wedding, otherwise register office, but just as basic as possible. Local community centre hall for reception, ask guests to bring food for a buffet as a wedding present. If feeding your guests is your financial sticking point then there's your problem solved. :)

And if someone else has already suggested this apologies, I've only read all of the OP's posts not all of the other posts.

Pinkprincess1978 · 22/03/2018 19:30

In your place I would just have a tiny legal ceremony and get married. It's about the marriage after all. Then use the money you save towards having your family together. This way you get both. Perhaps you could have a big celebration with all your special family as a christening/naming ceremony/first birthday

thehairyhog · 22/03/2018 19:35

‘planning a wedding with small children around is a FUCKING NIGHTMARE and reason enough to do the marrying first.’

We married first, but I imagine that this is spot on. As it was, our wedding was just the most fun. We were young(ish) and carefree and you could see it.

Whilst dd is the absolute love of our lives, I cannot imagine having enjoyed or cared about a wedding a jot in the midst of caring for baby/toddler dd. I’m knackered and haggard and it just either wouldn’t happen or wouldn’t be half the day it was.

And that’s legalities aside!

JoJoSM2 · 22/03/2018 19:36

the strategy is what I'm trying to figure out here

Have a think about where you'd like your life is 5, 10 or 30 years time. For example, if you haven't managed any savings or to buy a flat without kids, it won't happen with kids. Will you be able to afford rent on a family-sized house and childcare + other expenses? Have you got good pensions to live on in retirement? What happens if one of you becomes long term sick or the worst happens? What provision have you planned for that?

In terms of more immediate needs - if you're off sick with hyperemesis or other pregnancy complications, how will you pay rent? If you aren't earning in pregnancy, your maternity pay may be affected - will you be able to keep the roof over your heads?

With the costs of childcare, how will you manage on that budget? You currently have one person less to worry about and more money and it isn't plain sailing.

So yes, a lot of questions to answer to yourself as you figure things out. In your position, I'd get rid of the debt, get married on the cheap (e.g. second hand/rented dress, simple buffet etc) and then probably looked at building up real savings or buying a 2 bed flat even if you can't afford a 3 bed house at the moment. But yes, I'm a painfully sensible type.

Absofrigginlootly · 22/03/2018 19:39

Get married now in a church and seriously scale down the size and cost of reception. Maybe have a nice dinner in a restaurant that has a function room or hire a church hall therefore no need for marquee and toilets and ask people to bring a dish of food instead of a gift.

That's what Id do in your situation.

Monsoon have some beautiful and not too expensive Bridal dresses. Get each guest to bring 1 main and 1 desert and/or 1 bottle in lue of presents.

Decorate the venue with bunting and paper balloons/garlands or buy some fresh flowers from the supermarket. Hire a DJ/disco.

From my own personal fertility struggles I wouldn't delay TTC if you know you want a family (especially if you want more than one DC!)

Posters on MN will often say "oh I had mine at 43 with no problems" but generally that's not the norm (I used to work in gynae and also because of my issues I've read extensively on the subject).

Fertility declines at 30 and more rapidly at 35 and starts to plummet at 37. The risk of chromosomal and other abnormalities starts to significantly increase from 35 - negotiating the worry and stress of this is no minor issue let me assure you Sad

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