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“In politics stupidity is not a handicap.” We know this now! Trump thread cont.

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TheClaws · 19/03/2018 06:34

This is a quote of Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon has a number of quotes when Read through the lens of Trump are eerily prescient. Napoleon wasn’t of the same political bent as Trump necessarily, and he was certainly more cerebral, but the lust for power is the same.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 19:51

Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
So Jared's dad met with the Qatari FM as a "courtesy," discussed his distressed skyscraper, but then told him they wouldn't take any money because it's a "conflict of interest." Got it.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/kushner-companies-confirms-meeting-with-qatar-on-financing/2018/03/18/55e281ac-1e3c-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html

Elise Jordan
@Elise_Jordan
Charles Kushner hired a prostitute for $10k to seduce his brother-in law, secretly filmed the tryst, and timed the delivery of the X-rated tape to reach his sister on the day of a family party--but he's too ethical to take money from the Qataris for his underwater asset.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 19:54

Perhaps I’m being too thin skinned lweji but the headline seemed far too flippant, particularly as it is an ongoing issue. Forgive the Godwin’s law but it seemed a bit “was hitler bad for ethnic cleansing?” for my sensitivities

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 19:57

disgrace there is plenty trump realise and I’m sure that is just one of them. The idea of meting out harsh punishments for those that transgressed was probably all he needed. And much like the rest of his policies that hit his base in particular - tax plan etc - he doesn’t appear to give a toss. I’m hoping that’s just lack of intellectual capacity to perceive what’s going on rather than a confidence in the fact that he’ll be fine no matter what because he’s got this all sewn up

cozietoesie · 19/03/2018 20:03

It's an 'illusion of action', Disgrace. Done specifically for his base, I think.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 20:05

Strongman posturing

cozietoesie · 19/03/2018 20:08

Well Jared and Conway didn't come up with anything........... I guess he decided he needed to be seen to take action.

PerkingFaintly · 19/03/2018 20:14

We know how much 45 likes to copy people he sees as "bigger" than him (right down to copying Obama's inauguration cake).

This is him doing his best to copy to Duterte.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 20:20

missmarples I hope so. I have something approaching a blind faith that Brexit won’t happen but I really do think that’s based on eternal optimism that just won’t give up and not reality because its been increasingly clear that those in charge want the hardest of brexits. The Cambridge Analytica stuff coupled with Salisbury is an opportunity to potentially offer people a way out though.

lettuceWrap · 19/03/2018 20:23

Cambridge Analytica story is very interesting indeed.
I wonder if there will be a second Brexit referendum (to accept the terms negotiated vs rejecting the terms and remaining within the EU), if it’s found that there has been significant manipulation of voters in the first referendum.
As a remain voter, I would be happy with that.

GingerIvy · 19/03/2018 20:51

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BREAKING: Channel 4 just announced that authorities have gained a warrant to search CA building TONIGHT

GingerIvy · 19/03/2018 20:53

Amy Siskind
If this was a tv-series it would be too fantastical to watch! This is the company backed by Mercer and Bannon which impacted our election on behalf of Trump. Watch the video attached by a UK station - this is shocking! nyti.ms/2GJPDeH

updownside1 · 19/03/2018 20:54

I am right-wing but I will just leave this tidbit here:

Napoleon was the person who introduced the idea of ethnic/lingustic nationalism to the West. Prior to that you were expected to show loyalty to your monarch (e.g. England under Scotland's king) and worry about how the monarch would protect the culture of your people under the form of the new country.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:09

Mississippi gov signs nation's toughest abortion restrictions

The law immediately bans most abortions after 15 weeks' gestation with no exceptions for rape or incest.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mississippi-gov-signs-nation-s-toughest-abortion-restrictions-n858031

PerkingFaintly · 19/03/2018 21:11

Raiding them tonight?Shock OMFG!

Lying to Parliament never goes down well...

GingerIvy · 19/03/2018 21:11

Amy Siskind
You just know there's a massive deletion and cover-up going on at Cambridge Analytica as we speak. Interesting the contrast too on how much more aggressive the UK politicians are than our silent leaders (ex Klobuchar) here. read.bi/2pqJLPr

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:13
Grin

Oxford Analytica
@oxfordanalytica
Please don’t confuse us with #CambridgeAnalytica. Our Founding Principles include a strict editorial policy “that is non-prescriptive, non-partisan, non-ideological and with no political bias, agenda or issue advocacy.” ow.ly/VnKM30j1QxG

In the interests of fairness and full disclosure, I have a partisan interest in this fight dirty tabs

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:17

Stopped clock right twice a day moment?

Andy Wigmore
@andywigmore
@CamAnalytica are finished but there are a hundred more CA hovering in the background with the next adaptation of a marketing technique waiting to be launched used and abused

PlectrumElectrum · 19/03/2018 21:20

Place mark - I'm sure there's a data analysis of my tardiness in keeping up with these threads somewhere...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:25

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
BREAKING: Facebook WAS inside Cambridge Analytica's office but have now "stood down" following dramatic intervention by UK Information Commissioner's Office..
The ICO is trying to get a warrant tonight to go in tonight. BUT no judge available...
Team being assembled for tomorrow morning...

GingerIvy · 19/03/2018 21:25

Zev Shalev

@ZevShalev
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"We should all be shocked and deeply concerned. Our investigation includes more than 30 organizations, social media companies, data analytics companies, political organizations and parties." Elizabeth Denham, UK Information Commissioner www.channel4.com/news/information-commissioner-elizabeth-denham-on-cambridge-analytica-and-facebook-we-should-all-be-shocked-and-deeply-concerned

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:29

Pé Resists
@4everNeverTrump
Cambridge Analytica's US clients:
—Donald Trump
—Ted Cruz
—John Bolton
—Ben Carson
—Tom Cotton
—Thom Tillis
—North Carolina GOP
—National Rifle Association

What did they know about C.A.'s criminal strategies?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:31

Kevin Beaumont, Esquire
@GossiTheDog
Breaking: Channel 4 just announced they’re airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Analytica say they won the election for Donald Trump and describe how. This is a car crash airing live on TV. Journalism matters.

7:37 PM - 19 Mar 2018 from Manchester, England

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:33

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
"Won't they be deleting everything right now?"
"Hopefully not."

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/03/2018 21:40

Apologies if this was posted on the previous thread, I missed it if so. The bit I bolded is probably the least important bit but was what made me grin:

A huge clue about Mueller's endgame

www.axios.com/robert-mueller-investigation-obstruction-justice-collusion-2128e27f-bbb6-4b82-9e28-c6f1244fb9e3.html

Axios has learned that special counsel Robert Mueller has focused on events since the election — not during the campaign — in his conversations with President Trump's lawyers. The top two topics that Mueller has expressed interest in so far: the firings of FBI director James Comey and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Why it matters: That suggests a focus on obstruction of justice while in office, rather than collusion with Russia during the campaign. But both sagas are interwoven with Russia: Trump himself has linked Comey's firing to Russia, and Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition.

The Mueller and Trump teams are hoping to work out the specifics of a presidential interview within the next few weeks.

The big question they're debating is whether it'll be in person, in writing, or some combination of the two.

After a weekend of increasingly personal and vocal battles with Mueller, the White House extended an awkward olive branch on Sunday night, with White House lawyer Ty Cobb issuing this statement:

“In response to media speculation and related questions being posed to the Administration, the White House yet again confirms that the President is not considering or discussing the firing of the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

But that's too late. Veering from the White House legal strategy of cooperating with Mueller, Trump attacked him by name on Twitter, seeking to discredit the eventual findings with Republican supporters.

Someone familiar with the process said that was presidential frustration, and that the Trump team continues its ongoing dialogue with Mueller.

Money for McCabe: Sources expect that former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe — fired on Friday night, just 26 hours short of eligibility for his full pension — will collect at least some of it, although how much remains murky.

The Justice Department tells us the pension won't be zero, but it will be less than it would have been if the administration had allowed him to retire on Sunday. And it could be delayed by years.
McCabe has gotten conflicting reads from the government about the firing's effect on his pension.

P.S. CNN's Brian Stelter points out an apparent effect of Trump's weekend fulminations: James Comey's book, "A Higher Loyalty," out April 17, went from #15 on Amazon's best sellers on Saturday morning, to #1 (where it remains) by Sunday.

"The spike in sales is somewhat reminiscent of the interest in 'Fire and Fury,' Michael Wolff's controversial book."

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