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Who is being unreasonable - joint finances

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namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 14:29

Namechanged for this but regular poster.

Please help me work out whether I am being unreasonable, or whether my husband is being unreasonable (I think he is, obviously!).

I'll try to make his as succinct as possible. Been with my DH for 8 years, married for 18 months, DS1 is 7.5 months. DH bought the house we live in when we had been together for 2 years, large cash deposit, small mortgage. I moved in and paid a reduced rent until the mortgage was cleared (approx. 3 years). I have then lived there for free ever since. The justification for this which we both agreed to was that I had to move around an hour from my friends, family and work to allow him to continue to run his business, which would obviously benefit us both in the future. His friends, family and hobbies are on his doorstep (literally, we can see his parents house and the rugby field from our windows!). I hate the town we live in, but we plan to move out of town in the next couple of years and as I have made lots of friends in the wider area I am happy with this prospect, although ultimately I would prefer to move back to where I grew up and where my family are.

So, mortgage is paid off and we both have significant savings, however he has about 3 times what I have. I believe his ability to save has been partly facilitated by me because by moving to his area I have allowed our relationship to continue and him to pursue his professional desires. Of course he has also saved very hard and worked very hard for that money. I have explained this part of our financial situation not to be goady, but I don't want to drip feed and I do think this is relevant to my AIBU.

Since moving in together we have paid into a joint account for food, bills, council tax etc etc. Basically everything that's needed to keep the house running. I have just stopped receiving maternity pay but have been paying in as normal until now. Agreement is that I will stay at home with DS1 because my commute to work means I would work for about £25 per day once we have paid for childcare. We have always been of the understanding that we would both prefer for me to be at home with the children for a certain amount of time whilst they are young and that was a large part of the reason we have settled in DH's area. All discussed and agreed years ago.

I do all of the housework, so cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing, food shopping, bins, recycling, night feeds etc. plus all those other little things like buying birthday presents, cards etc. He does bath and bed with DS 5 nights a week. He plays rugby twice a week and all day on a Saturday, with the occasional night out afterwards (not regular, say once every 2 months or so). He has a lie in at the weekend on both days while I get up with DS.

I have always said that I would prefer our savings to be held jointly, with a direct debit into an account for household stuff and then an equal allowance each for spending money. He has always said that he will just top up our existing joint account as needed. We are both relatively good with money so whilst I'm not really comfortable with this, in theory it should work as long as we are both reasonable.

With regards to our savings, we are both saving for a property investment, so in that sense our intentions for the savings are mutual. He obviously has a great deal more than I do at present, but my parents will be giving us a significant (approx £175k) sum to purchase said property when we find it so he will then benefit from my/their investment. Basically what I am trying to say is that we are on a fairly level playing field once all is taken into consideration.

Fast forward to today. We are looking after his parents dog for a few days while they are away. I took her for a run on the beach this morning and it was lovely down there so I bought a coffee in the cafe and sat outside for a bit longer. The coffee cost £1.50. DH has told me that I should take my own coffee in a flask because buying a coffee out is a waste of money. He says that if I was out for a walk with a friend and we went into the coffee shop that's fine because it's being sociable. I think that considering he disappears for 2 evenings a week plus most of Saturday week in week out (and there is a cost of say £20 a week for this) I should be allowed to buy a bloody coffee every now and then if I want one! I'm not one of these people who walks around with a costa permanently attached to my hand, I hardly ever buy drinks or food out. My social commitments are a buggy fitness group once or twice a week (£4 a time), baby sensory (£5 a week) and slimming world (£5 a week). I then go for a walk with a group of mums once a week and we have a coffee afterwards. This mornings coffee doesn't usually happen, it's only because I was down there with his parents dog and I just fancied a coffee because it was really nice there today. He is saying that if I had been with someone else it would have been fine because it's being sociable. I argued that if his hobby was cycling or running which he might do by himself I would still be happy for him to pursue it, it just so happens that he plays rugby and that is a team sport.

This next bit is the important bit.

He then said that he is spending his money when he does things, and I am spending our money. My argument is that all of the money is our money, including he money that my parents have promised me for the property purchase** whenever that happens.

I think this statement completely summarises his attitude towards me being a stay at home mum and whilst he is happy for me to do so, he is going to want me to account for every last penny I spend because as far as he is concerned, I am not the one who went out and earned it. I also think that this shows he does not value anything I do in the home and whilst I am happy to do it and appreciate that I am fortunate to be able to stay at home, I do not think that attitude is fair.

Well done if you are still reading - I am happy to be told I am unreasonable if I am and in which case I need to start grovelling after the argument we've just had. If I am not being unreasonable and he is being financially controlling, then I am just disappointed in myself for being so stupid as to think we were on the same wavelength.

Thank you.

OP posts:
Appuskidu · 16/03/2018 15:44

I would tell him to get bloody stuffed!

I would also get a job, OP. If/when you split up-you will be stuffed financially.

Cambionome · 16/03/2018 15:46

I couldn't get past the bit where he complained about you spending £1.50 on a coffee! He is totally, totally unreasonable.

Don't forget that if you were to get divorced all assets - savings, property, pensions etc - would almost certainly be split 50:50 as decided by the courts, (although actually you might get a bit more as main carer for your child).

So he can put that in his bloody pipe and smoke it. It's not "his" money morally or legally.

SantaClauseMightWork · 16/03/2018 15:46

Take the 175k from your parents and buy yourself an investment property.You’ll need it.
^ This. Oh sooo this!

Oldraver · 16/03/2018 15:48

I would tell your parents to hang on to the investment money for a while, as any money you bring into the marriage will be classed as joint money...and when you finally divorce him you can bet your bottom dollar he will want his share

Troels · 16/03/2018 15:48

Get a job split the child care costs and the housework 50/50, buy your own house then move out.
He's a dick and it's going to cost him one hell of a lot more than a cup of coffee once he has to pay child maintenece. You deserve better.

VladmirsPoutine · 16/03/2018 15:48

Personally, I would show him this thread, then change your username moving forwards.

Whatever you do, don't do this.

Cambionome · 16/03/2018 15:48

Also, tell your parents to hang on to their £175,000 for a bit longer, otherwise he will be entitled to 50% of that if you split.

Cambionome · 16/03/2018 15:49

Cross posted with Oldraver!

expatinscotland · 16/03/2018 15:49

I'd actually tell my folks to hang onto the £175k for now. Wouldn't want to lose that in a divorce settlement because what's his is his and what's yours is his, too, in his opinion.

LoveInTokyo · 16/03/2018 15:49

Oh boy.

He is financially controlling you.

Do not take that £175 off your parents just yet, because if you end up getting divorced he will get half of it. And it sounds like you will be glad of your own nest egg/running away money sooner rather than later.

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2018 15:49

Please tell me you're not so desperate not to work that you would put up with this total loss of dignity, where you can't even spend 1.50 without getting into trouble or having to ask permission.

And the 25 pounds a day I assume would be after your half of the child care? That's still 500 pounds a month earnings.

Just go back to work. This is appalling. Find some great child care and your kids will love it. The variety and socialisation. And you can buy whatever the hell you please. Without being treated like slave labour.

LoveInTokyo · 16/03/2018 15:53

Sorry to jump straight in there with a LTB type post but men who act like this never change. Better to LTB now than in 10 or 20 years’ time

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 16/03/2018 15:54

Have a good hard look at the vows you made to each other. What did you both sign up for? Surely not this.

Ask your parents to hold on tight to that £175k until you are quite sure that what you have is a marriage.

WatchingFromTheWings · 16/03/2018 15:56

Completely agree with pp suggestion about using the £175k to buy your own place and tell him to sod off!

Would it be better though to ask your parents to buy a place in their name for you to move into to avoid him getting any of it incase or divorce? Maybe that would be a better idea?

My ExH was just like your 'D'H. His money was his and would begrudge me spending my wages (I worked PT to fit around kids). As I earned far less I wasn't entitled to spend anything. It got far far worse before I finally left him.

Minniemountain · 16/03/2018 15:58

DH and I used to pay proportionate amounts from our wages into a joint account. When I became a SAHM by mutual decision, all DH's wages became joint money. Now I'm back at work but he hugely out earns me, all wages are joint money. Because we see each other as partners and respect each other. Your H does neither.

namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 15:58

Thanks everyone. I met with my boss a few weeks ago to discuss return from maternity (I've obviously kept it to myself that it might be an option to not go back). I've just emailed him to find out whether they've been able to put together a return to work package.

I'm really glad you've all agreed with me on this. It's one of those things that has been bubbling away for a while now and it was just going to take one thing to set off the argument.

Can't believe I've been so stupid and feel so guilty for bringing DS into potentially a broken home before he is 1.

OP posts:
thegreylady · 16/03/2018 15:59

£1.50??
This man doesn’t understand marriage, love, sharing or caring.
I would have a showdown with him about the £1.50 and tell him that if he doesn’t rethink his attitude then you, your child , your savings and your parents potential future contribution are leaving. Remind him too that child support and spousal maintenance will come to a hell of a lot more than £1.50 and you will be entitled to at least 50% of your marital home.

Inseoir · 16/03/2018 16:00

There's nothing to feel guilty about. You went into all this in good faith - it's your shit of a husband who is choosing one pound fucking 50 over your love. It's very sad for him really - what is he going to gain from being so petty?

SantaClauseMightWork · 16/03/2018 16:02

I would take that money from your parents ( he has benefited from staying near his work and family and you are doing the same so whatever you do, do share it with him) and invest in something that gives you monthly return even if you don't go back to work right away. That's your income sorted. Your parents can do this without transferring it to you even.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2018 16:02

What's important is that moving forward you look after your own interests because he's looking after his. Go back to work and present it as a fait accompli. 'I'm going back FT. We need to discuss how the childcare and housework will be split' and include everything including the split over holidays. He's got off scot free so far as he's been enabled to do so. Nope, no more. Sadly, it's rare he'll change.

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2018 16:05

What his attitude shows is a total lack of respect for you. You have to ask yourself why he feels this way.

Marriage is an equal partnership. You don't have this.

He's told you clearly how he feels. It's his money and he earns it so he can spend it. You need to live off your savings or seek permission to spend joint family funds if you wish to spend them on yourself. Even if it's 1.50£. He does not wish you to spend it on yourself. Your payment for being at home is food and board. No more no less.

The question is will you accept this or not. I couldn't. I take my savings, my parents money, go back to work, buy myself a home and leave without discussion. I could not live with a man who had no respect for me.

My husband and I have a joint account and personal accounts. If either of us need cash and is low, we will simply take off the other. I'm trying to imagine a scenario where one of us said "that's my 1.50" . I simply can't.

Tiddler7 · 16/03/2018 16:10

Remind him, that he's only able to go to work and earn all this money, and do hobbies, because you agreed to put your career on pause and look after your child. So it's your money as much as his.

BewareOfDragons · 16/03/2018 16:10

Your 'd'H is being unreasonable. Completely.

It is family money. End of. You are a family.

If he refuses to get his head out of his ass, get your job outside the home back, even if you're losing money on childcare, and tell him half of the household, childcare and mental load (planning) responsibilities are now his. You will be putting yourself at financial risk by not working when someone's spouse is treating you like this ... sign of things to come, none of them good.

HiggeldyPigsinblankets · 16/03/2018 16:12

He has form to minimising and belittling your concerns, he 'brushes them aside' as you say. So no more talks. Actions. 'I'm going back to work FT. We need to discuss how we will split the childcare and household duties.' 'But I thought we'd agreed you'd stay home.' 'We did, but I don't agree with the financial arrangements. You won't discuss them reasonably, so I need to go back to work to protect my own interests' and then you do it.

this is it in a nutshell, if you decide to stay then you absolutely need to protect yourself, and be financially independent

Bluntness100 · 16/03/2018 16:13

It's only family money if he agrees. He does not agree. All the telling him and reminding him won't change his view on that. He's made himself clear. It's his other than what he deems to put into the joint account, the amount of which will be his decision.

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