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Who is being unreasonable - joint finances

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namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 14:29

Namechanged for this but regular poster.

Please help me work out whether I am being unreasonable, or whether my husband is being unreasonable (I think he is, obviously!).

I'll try to make his as succinct as possible. Been with my DH for 8 years, married for 18 months, DS1 is 7.5 months. DH bought the house we live in when we had been together for 2 years, large cash deposit, small mortgage. I moved in and paid a reduced rent until the mortgage was cleared (approx. 3 years). I have then lived there for free ever since. The justification for this which we both agreed to was that I had to move around an hour from my friends, family and work to allow him to continue to run his business, which would obviously benefit us both in the future. His friends, family and hobbies are on his doorstep (literally, we can see his parents house and the rugby field from our windows!). I hate the town we live in, but we plan to move out of town in the next couple of years and as I have made lots of friends in the wider area I am happy with this prospect, although ultimately I would prefer to move back to where I grew up and where my family are.

So, mortgage is paid off and we both have significant savings, however he has about 3 times what I have. I believe his ability to save has been partly facilitated by me because by moving to his area I have allowed our relationship to continue and him to pursue his professional desires. Of course he has also saved very hard and worked very hard for that money. I have explained this part of our financial situation not to be goady, but I don't want to drip feed and I do think this is relevant to my AIBU.

Since moving in together we have paid into a joint account for food, bills, council tax etc etc. Basically everything that's needed to keep the house running. I have just stopped receiving maternity pay but have been paying in as normal until now. Agreement is that I will stay at home with DS1 because my commute to work means I would work for about £25 per day once we have paid for childcare. We have always been of the understanding that we would both prefer for me to be at home with the children for a certain amount of time whilst they are young and that was a large part of the reason we have settled in DH's area. All discussed and agreed years ago.

I do all of the housework, so cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing, food shopping, bins, recycling, night feeds etc. plus all those other little things like buying birthday presents, cards etc. He does bath and bed with DS 5 nights a week. He plays rugby twice a week and all day on a Saturday, with the occasional night out afterwards (not regular, say once every 2 months or so). He has a lie in at the weekend on both days while I get up with DS.

I have always said that I would prefer our savings to be held jointly, with a direct debit into an account for household stuff and then an equal allowance each for spending money. He has always said that he will just top up our existing joint account as needed. We are both relatively good with money so whilst I'm not really comfortable with this, in theory it should work as long as we are both reasonable.

With regards to our savings, we are both saving for a property investment, so in that sense our intentions for the savings are mutual. He obviously has a great deal more than I do at present, but my parents will be giving us a significant (approx £175k) sum to purchase said property when we find it so he will then benefit from my/their investment. Basically what I am trying to say is that we are on a fairly level playing field once all is taken into consideration.

Fast forward to today. We are looking after his parents dog for a few days while they are away. I took her for a run on the beach this morning and it was lovely down there so I bought a coffee in the cafe and sat outside for a bit longer. The coffee cost £1.50. DH has told me that I should take my own coffee in a flask because buying a coffee out is a waste of money. He says that if I was out for a walk with a friend and we went into the coffee shop that's fine because it's being sociable. I think that considering he disappears for 2 evenings a week plus most of Saturday week in week out (and there is a cost of say £20 a week for this) I should be allowed to buy a bloody coffee every now and then if I want one! I'm not one of these people who walks around with a costa permanently attached to my hand, I hardly ever buy drinks or food out. My social commitments are a buggy fitness group once or twice a week (£4 a time), baby sensory (£5 a week) and slimming world (£5 a week). I then go for a walk with a group of mums once a week and we have a coffee afterwards. This mornings coffee doesn't usually happen, it's only because I was down there with his parents dog and I just fancied a coffee because it was really nice there today. He is saying that if I had been with someone else it would have been fine because it's being sociable. I argued that if his hobby was cycling or running which he might do by himself I would still be happy for him to pursue it, it just so happens that he plays rugby and that is a team sport.

This next bit is the important bit.

He then said that he is spending his money when he does things, and I am spending our money. My argument is that all of the money is our money, including he money that my parents have promised me for the property purchase** whenever that happens.

I think this statement completely summarises his attitude towards me being a stay at home mum and whilst he is happy for me to do so, he is going to want me to account for every last penny I spend because as far as he is concerned, I am not the one who went out and earned it. I also think that this shows he does not value anything I do in the home and whilst I am happy to do it and appreciate that I am fortunate to be able to stay at home, I do not think that attitude is fair.

Well done if you are still reading - I am happy to be told I am unreasonable if I am and in which case I need to start grovelling after the argument we've just had. If I am not being unreasonable and he is being financially controlling, then I am just disappointed in myself for being so stupid as to think we were on the same wavelength.

Thank you.

OP posts:
timeisnotaline · 16/03/2018 15:08

I missed the part where it’s his parents dog you were walking!!! Ugh.

TheJoyOfSox · 16/03/2018 15:10

He sounds tight . Start invoicing him for housework, cooking, laundry, childcare and sex. If he thinks he would be earning his salary and have savings if you wasn’t there the bloke is delusional!

namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 15:12

Thank you all for your thoughts. I'm sat here in tears feeling like a complete idiot.

I've just always thought I was so lucky to have a roof over my head and the opportunity to be a stay at home mum (which I appreciate isn't for everyone, but I've always wanted to stay at home with my children and I appreciate others want to but can't for financial reasons).

I did not realise that I've been an absolute fool. What's more annoying is that I've tried to tackle this a number of times but it has always been brushed aside by my DH.

OP posts:
namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 15:14

I think I'm going to write everything down, a bit like I have done here. Whenever I try to talk to him about it it ends in an argument and tears, so we never achieve anything. He'll read it if I write it down, I guess it's just a case of whether he'll take notice of it.

OP posts:
Neverender · 16/03/2018 15:15

I'm back at work for myself and my independence and my DH is generous compared to yours! Don't give up any financial independence to then have no support from him, please don't.

Inseoir · 16/03/2018 15:16

What about him being lucky to have a partner who moved to a place she doesn't like to suit him, who grew and birthed his baby, who stays home every day and gives that baby the absolute best in loving care, who cooks his dinner, washes his clothes, cleans his house and who doesn't complain when he doesn't bother giving her a lie-in at the weekend or when he fucks off to do his sport all day Saturday?

Sweetheart, he has really fucked you over. He has made you feel like you have to be grateful for being his servant. You need to get away from this man.

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/03/2018 15:16

I do think you have to think long and hard about why your DH thinks as he does. He doesn't value your contribution and wants to keep all the money. That comes from somewhere.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2018 15:17

What MrsTerry said, to the letter. I'd never jack in work if I had a husband like this, but then, I wouldn't have a husband like this. I'd have divorced him before the child came along because of his attitude toward partnership and parenthood. Anyone who quibbled over fucking £1.50 when he went out 2+ nights a week wouldn't last long with me.

I'd go with what MrsTerry suggests and prepare to bail. Would invest the £175k so I had it when I needed to leave the bastard if he doesn't shape the fuck up and see me as an equal partner, not a domestic appliance.

CurlyRover · 16/03/2018 15:18

Gosh YADNBU! He is though.

You both agreed for you to be at home with your DS, it's not like you made that choice on your own.

I think as a couple if you agree for one of you to be a SAHP then you should both have equal access to finances just so long as one of you isn't squandering it. One coffee at £1.50 really shouldn't need accounting for. Last night I spent £1.50 on sweets whilst out at a course and DP probably spent around the same on pop (I don't know exactly as I don't care enough to ask). We wouldn't normally either even know or care what we each spend as it's a non issue really, it just happened to come up in conversation.

Anyway point is, I think your DH is well out of order. Yes okay he has a point that a flask is cheaper but sometimes it just takes your fancy when you're out. If he thinks it's an issue then you've got bigger issues.

Trinity66 · 16/03/2018 15:19

Agree with all these posts above. It seems like he now views you as a "kept woman" and probably thinks he's allowing you to swan around all day doing nothing and drinking coffees. I'd honestly never give control over my life away to someone like that

Fundays12 · 16/03/2018 15:28

He is selfish, spoilt and it’s your joint money not his. You are a partnership and as such things are joint. Your contributions are just as equal as his even if they are not money ones. Honestly my dh doesn’t even question what I spend our money on. I do work but only part time but do everything else including the house work, caring for the kids and taking ds1 to all his appointments as he is additional needs. I occasionally ask dh if he has soent this or that but never because I am criticising him only so I know the transaction is correct in our account. It wouldn’t even occur to either of us to complain about a £1.50 cup off coffee.

Your man needs a reality check and to start valuing you as his partner.

namechange59295 · 16/03/2018 15:28

I think his response will be that if I want to move to a bigger home on a nicer area we need to be careful with money. I do want to move and so does he, but he would be happier to stay where we are for longer, whereas I want to move in the next couple of years because a) the schools here are rubbish and I want to get DS into a good preschool in the area we are going to settle on and b) 6 years is long enough living somewhere o don't like.

None of this is likely to matter for a while because as you've all said, the property search needs to be put on hold.

I agree that we need to be careful with money to achieve this - but it was £1.50!!!!!

OP posts:
Glitterandunicorns · 16/03/2018 15:29

OP, I agree with all the previous posters. Your husband is def being extremely unreasonable.

I agree with those who have said to take your parents money and buy a place for yourself, or an investment in your name alone.

I'm so angry on your behalf. You've made all those sacrifices, not least of which is providing childcare for the baby you both share. You're married, FFS! How does he get to treat you like this? You're not a nanny and housekeeper; you're his wife!

I would start making noises about going back to work and looking into childcare costs and cleaner costs if I were you (even if you don't wish to go down this path, it should show you what it would cost him to pay half for what you currently do for him).

I really hope that you're able to show him how unreasonable he's being, and that he hangs his head in shame while grovelling for the way he's been treating the mother of his child. Thanks

Fundays12 · 16/03/2018 15:29

I would personally get a jib and start charging him for half the childcare costs and have him pay the cleaner he will need too plus cook meals half the week. He will soon learn how much you do and the value of it.

Zaphodsotherhead · 16/03/2018 15:30

DH bought the house we live in when we had been together for 2 years, large cash deposit, small mortgage. I moved in and paid a reduced rent until the mortgage was cleared (approx. 3 years)

This is practically your opening sentence and just about all of it is wrong. HE didn't buy the house, you BOTH bought the house. If you separate you are entitled to half the cost (pre nups exempted). And you didn't pay rent, you contributed to the mortgage!

Did he convince you to think like this? That the house is his and you just 'rented a room'? Because that is very very wrong...

Fishface77 · 16/03/2018 15:30

Price up child care, cleaning and anything else that can be “sourced out”.

Tell him your going back to work and he needs to pay half. He also needs to do more around the house. It sounds like your making all the compromises.

He will argue and say we agreed you will be a sahm but you can say we agreed we would be equal and share everything (it’s in the vows).
I would ask your parents to hold on to the money as I think it sounds like you’ll need it in future.

Zaphodsotherhead · 16/03/2018 15:31

value dammit, not cost. Brain not functioning.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2018 15:32

'I think his response will be that if I want to move to a bigger home on a nicer area we need to be careful with money.'

Your only response to such a person has to be to refuse to hand over your financial independence to him. I know you want to stay at home, but doing so with this person will fuck you over good. It's a well-worn path.

He has form to minimising and belittling your concerns, he 'brushes them aside' as you say. So no more talks. Actions. 'I'm going back to work FT. We need to discuss how we will split the childcare and household duties.' 'But I thought we'd agreed you'd stay home.' 'We did, but I don't agree with the financial arrangements. You won't discuss them reasonably, so I need to go back to work to protect my own interests' and then you do it.

laddylonglocks · 16/03/2018 15:33

This is a miserable way to live. My MIL had to account for every little spend to FIL, as he got texts to his phone whenever money was spent or withdrawn.
Your post is so long and complicated.. childcare money, rent, food etc and yet would be solved instantly with joint finances.. you have a child together, you have been together 8 years.. you are a team. It makes no sense to me. I am a SAHM, I wouldn't be in a relationship where we didn't have equal access to money.

IwantedtobeEmmaPeel · 16/03/2018 15:34

I am sorry to say that he does sound financially controlling and he doesn't seem to value what you do in the house/childcare/admin etc.
For god's sake tell your parents to hang on to their £175k for the time being, until you have made up your mind about the future of this marriage. If they hand it over now and you end up divorcing he will end up getting a good slice of it. I really hope you can get him to see how unfair he is being to you.

expatinscotland · 16/03/2018 15:35

No charging! Just, 'I'm going back to work FT so we need to discuss how the childcare and household work will be split.'

Inseoir · 16/03/2018 15:35

The shit about being careful with money is total nonsense, you get that right? Otherwise he wouldn't spend any money on his sport. He just doesn't want you spending any of what he sees as his money, not even a measly £1.50.

I'd personally be telling him to go and cuddle his money as he is so in love with it, as no actual person deserves to be treated the way he treats you.

TheTab · 16/03/2018 15:39

Personally, I would show him this thread, then change your username moving forwards.

I have read your very open and honest OP and am ready for that fight with your husband for you.

OP DH - if you are reading this, you have got to be joking if you think this is fair or right or sustainable. Give your head a wobble mate.

Inseoir · 16/03/2018 15:41

I know your advice is well intended Tab, but I don't think it's good. I'm guessing that this man isn't open to having his mind changed by a bunch of whining women and it'll only make things worse for the OP.

lazymum99 · 16/03/2018 15:42

WTAF was that bit about paying your partner rent which he then used to pay off the mortgage. I would have run for the hills at that stage.

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